Leigh Ann Orsi
6:50
Hey, Otter, hang in there a little longer. We're going to start soon.
Casey Schmid
6:56
Take your time. I'm here Whenever you're ready To Start. You
Casey Schmid
9:53
can you
Casey Schmid
9:59
hear. Me okay. Oh my gosh. Leigh, Ann, I'm so sorry. No,
Leigh Ann Orsi
10:03
don't worry. You owe me. Feel awful you owe me one because I completely, like, completely missed you.
Casey Schmid
10:11
Oh, no worries. I'm so no, no, not at all. I just I had my tunes on, and I was like, Okay, I got two hour I started at four, and I was like, Okay, I got two hours before my meeting for whatever. I just told myself it was six. I didn't even look. I saw that was, yeah, sorry. And
Leigh Ann Orsi
10:24
what is it? Is it five? Now it's five
Casey Schmid
10:26
for me? Yeah, yeah. I get all twisted around with the time zones, the time change and the thing I
Leigh Ann Orsi
10:33
have zero. I have zero complaints at the moment. So I just want to start with a little kind of explanation about what's going on in my life. I just told Jake last week, because, you know, in my previous businesses, because I've this has been my third entrepreneurial endeavor, I've always been very transparent and very like interested in people's personal lives, because I think it, like greatly affects your ability to work and not, yeah,
Casey Schmid
10:59
right, you can see that, yeah.
Leigh Ann Orsi
11:01
And I'm a woman entrepreneur, so I'm a bit more feely. And so I was kind of trying to decide how I was going to handle this business and if I was going to be as transparent as I normally am. And I had decided, like, No, you know, let me try to keep it more separate. Be like a bit, because we have all these kind of virtual walls between us and everything. Yes.
Casey Schmid
11:20
And so
Leigh Ann Orsi
11:22
I tried, but it just was, like, so unauthentic. So I just have to tell you that I had gone through the craziest experience because I had to move out of my home, like unexpectedly, because of a hazard. And yeah, and so I don't know, are you? Where did you Where did you live when you were living in the States? I
Casey Schmid
11:43
grew up in Georgia, north of Atlanta, so Well, right? I grew up right outside of Atlanta, and then I lived in the country. I said, call it the country. It was an hour north of Atlanta, chicken houses and driving trackers on the street and all that. And then I lived in Arizona for a little while.
Leigh Ann Orsi
11:58
Okay, well, so you might have some experience with this, but my house has mold,
Casey Schmid
12:03
oh yeah, like, the black mold, or, like, some, I mean,
Leigh Ann Orsi
12:05
like, a whole bunch of different kinds of mold. And I've been sick for like, a year and a half with this, like, Phantom auto immune condition. And I'm, like, literally, like, the healthiest person in the world, and, like, my quality of life, just everything has gone down the drain. Like I've gained like, 20 pounds, like it's been insane, like I'm an awful athlete. I'm like, anyways, it's been this really awful experience, and I've been doing all these crazy health protocols and whatever, and I finally found out that it's the house that's been making,
Casey Schmid
12:41
okay, well, that's good, right, at least now, you know, right? Yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
12:44
it's good. It's good in the way that there's, like, a way out. But also, like, I live in what I live in, like, an extremely expensive penthouse unit in one of the coolest places in all of Austin. Like, I'm there to, like, host events and like, invest, you know, use it for videos, for my business, all this stuff for the last year. Like, this project is, like, a year late because of my illness and everything so and so. On top of it, like, I'm moving out. I'm paying rent there because we haven't, like, made legal action yet. And I'm paying an Airbnb rent somewhere else. And at the same time, I'm leaving and going to my partner's Lake House, which is where I am now, because it just feels really peaceful and like far away from all the molds of Austin covered here, and I'm suing them, and so being lawyers, and I'm like, right now I'm working on this crazy project Where I am creating an inventory of every single item in my house. Oh,
Casey Schmid
13:44
wow, yeah, that's a Yeah, I can't imagine that's got
Leigh Ann Orsi
13:50
a fucking unbelievable endeavor, and I thank God I'm using AI to do it like I'm taking videos of all the stuff in my house, and then taking the audio from the and saying what everything is, taking the audio from the video, doing a transcript, then I'm telling AI to put it into a spreadsheet. Right now, I'm going to be like, Yeah, I'm going to be cross referencing, because I have operator, who's I have the list of all the books in our library, and I have the operator, like, finding references and prices for each book that's on the list,
Casey Schmid
14:24
wow,
Leigh Ann Orsi
14:25
but it needs a lot of observation, because operator sucks. I don't know if you've used it yet. No,
Casey Schmid
14:32
no, not yet. I mean,
Leigh Ann Orsi
14:35
I started getting into AI, like, you know, more than a year ago. And like, I saw some operator site type, you know, internet navigators, like, a year ago, and they seemed great. And like, now, this is, like, one of the first, like, available ones, and it's fucking terrible.
Casey Schmid
14:54
I I learned a while ago that, you I don't, I do not jump on the AI hype train. The. Will say and do whatever they can do, because they have, they got their startup, and they're trying to get their thing running. So it's all going to look beautiful, and it's all going to work great, and it's going to and it never, ever works the way that they say. It will never, ever and so I wait, I wait until basically, someone else tells me, Hey, you got to try this thing out. It works. And then I'll maybe try to incorporate it into my workflow. But, man, yeah, because you just waste time, you just waste time trying all these new tools out. Yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
15:26
yeah, it does
Casey Schmid
15:27
what you want. So it's like, okay, great. Try, try Gemini. We'll tell you this. Gemini works great for what you can give Gemini. You don't have to do just the audio. You can give it the whole video, and it can watch the video for you, and it can make the list of all the stuff in your video. So try that out that might help you out with really,
Leigh Ann Orsi
15:46
I feel like Gemini has just gone wrong so many times that I just haven't even circled back to it.
Casey Schmid
15:52
Gemin. Well, Gemini is the only one that you can give an entire video to right now. So the other ones, they're they're all multi modal, but you can't pass videos, so the video thing will help. That's I had to make a video, you see, right the app for work, and that was the only model that I could use, because it was the only one that could actually watch the
Leigh Ann Orsi
16:16
video. So
Casey Schmid
16:18
that might be they did that they were like, that was one of their things. Or they were like, they had like, a video of like, all these books, and it said, give me a list of all the books that were in the video. And it was like, Here you go. So that it's kind of like, right up your alley, what you're looking for. Oh,
Leigh Ann Orsi
16:30
right, right, right. Well, we just did the audio and and it's pretty much done now. But honestly, the event, the entire process, is not done. I would say I'm now, like, maybe, like, maybe I'm halfway through it.
Casey Schmid
16:46
Oh, and so
Leigh Ann Orsi
16:48
today I'm taking a break to do this. This is why I scheduled you in the morning, because I was like, I'm going to do this. It's going to get me back into this mind frame. Then I can, then I can work with the coach for a while. Because today I'm just, I'm gonna run this operator in the background, but I'm not doing any of the hunting and pecking.
Casey Schmid
17:07
Yeah, no, no worries at all. So I've
Leigh Ann Orsi
17:08
been, like, completely fucking upside down in my life. Like, like, a lot of did I have to, like, move out unexpected, like, all my stuff is trapped in my house and it's contaminated, and I have to wear a fucking gas mask when I go back in, and it still makes me sick.
Casey Schmid
17:26
Wow, yeah, oh, I'm so sorry. That is awful. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. It's
Leigh Ann Orsi
17:32
really insane. And so I finally was like, I need to tell these people what's happening to me so that I don't seem like,
Casey Schmid
17:38
no, no, okay. I'll tell you that I have not, I have not had I haven't been like Leigh Anne ever talks to me, right? No, not at all. Right, so don't I have not gotten that feeling at all so well,
Leigh Ann Orsi
17:49
at least for me. That's why I didn't show up for the meeting like I had scheduled it, thinking, all right, because I've been staying a lot at this lake house, which I don't know, see out there.
Casey Schmid
18:02
Oh, yeah, yeah. That's, you know, I come
Leigh Ann Orsi
18:04
here when I don't need to be in Austin, because there's no mold. There's also it has everything I need. We're staying at, like, an Airbnb where me and my partner, his two kids are all, like, on top of each other. There's, yeah, yeah. And so I thought that I would get back there and, like, by Tuesday, I think I went back on Friday. I was like, by Tuesday, I'll be able to, like, find some time to, like, sit. It was this, I like, I didn't even know. I didn't even like, I didn't have you on the schedule, but I had Jake on the schedule after you, and I just, like, I was completely clueless what I had to do.
Casey Schmid
18:40
Well, I don't blame you. Goodness gracious, bigger problems. Wow, wow.
Leigh Ann Orsi
18:44
But anyway, yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
18:46
let's jump into this fun exercise. And I think this will be interesting for you to do it in the opposite direction.
Casey Schmid
18:53
Yeah, I'm actually, I'm fairly familiar, like going through all the prompts and a lot of the stuff. I'm familiar, kind of, with how it goes. So it'll be interesting to to do
Leigh Ann Orsi
19:03
it for yourself and you. I'm sure you've done it with the coach a little bit. Have you played? Yeah, I
Casey Schmid
19:08
poke around with it. Mostly mine is like, testing, so I just kind of give it like, bull crap answers, right? And I'm just like, Okay, are you going to tell me what I want you to you know, what I want to hear? Like, kind of like, yes or no, right? Right? So I'm just like, Okay,
Leigh Ann Orsi
19:19
I make up fictitious people and do this also, yes, I'm drinking this weird black sludge. So if I get something black on my face, I apologize. It's, I'll
Casey Schmid
19:26
tell you. I'll tell you, yeah, it's a detox
Leigh Ann Orsi
19:28
drink that I mean. Now that the other thing is, I'm, like, also going through all these health protocols.
Casey Schmid
19:33
Anyways, yeah, I'll let you know if you have anything in your teeth, yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
19:36
my like, this is, like, a slimy thing. It will, like, come out. Right before this, I had a whole bunch of activated charcoal on the end of my nose. I was like,
Casey Schmid
19:45
Oh, wow. Okay, yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
19:47
yeah, okay. So, okay. So I want to, one of the things that I'm still refining is like, what is kind of the opening act? How do we explain, you know, the. Importance of this exercise, because it's really important to kind of prime your mind. And truly, this is an exercise for the subconscious. You know, the work is done in the conscious mind, but it isn't solidified or helpful until it seeps into the ground water, right, right?
Casey Schmid
20:18
So, yeah. Also need
Leigh Ann Orsi
20:19
to like open the mind to like this opportunity and this possibility to like, reimagine and re envision yourself,
Casey Schmid
20:28
right? Yeah, okay, well, okay, sorry, I Okay. I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell you what I want to try to do. I'm gonna try to participate as much as humanly possible, but it's gonna be almost impossible because I have my brain also on like, oh, I need to do this, and I need to do that, and I need to do this and these are the things. So why don't I want
Leigh Ann Orsi
20:44
to take notes on, like, your product brain? Feel free. Okay, great. Also, we'll need a paper on your notes for your human brains. Yeah,
Casey Schmid
20:52
let me. Let me grab a separate sheet of paper, that way I can keep them separate. Yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
20:55
great. I think they're definitely
Casey Schmid
21:01
separate. Okay, back. I'm back. My children are home on vacation. If my house is loud, please tell me I don't know, because I have my headphones on and so a lot of times I don't hear the noise, and you do.
Leigh Ann Orsi
21:11
So hey, we're just rolling with what we're rolling. We can tell your
Casey Schmid
21:17
trailer park kids to shut up. Yeah.
Leigh Ann Orsi
21:22
Okay, so, so in this exercise, you have an opportunity to completely re envision the way that you see yourself in the world, and that's really important, because a lot of people wake up in the morning and they kind of have the vision of the worst of themselves. I'm lazy, I'm no good, I'm this, I'm that, right? That drives us a lot. You wake up with your criticisms of yourself, whatever. And so today, we're going to give you a new pathway to, like, really envision the highest and best parts of you and crystallize them. Because we can all say, like, you want to be your best and whatever, but this is like a true exercise to to make them real, make the best parts of yourself real, and that's what's really fun about it. So I want to start with, like, the identities that you know you are. So this is the question we finally got the coach to ask, right? So, like, what are you right? I was like, Come on, man. So
Casey Schmid
22:37
Well, okay, yeah, there were some technical issues with why it wasn't doing it that we really but, yeah, that's, uh, I don't, I don't. I don't know how I won't get into tech, technical stuff, unless you want me to.
Leigh Ann Orsi
22:48
But, uh, yeah. I mean, I think I would want to, but let's, let's all right now,
Casey Schmid
22:51
yeah, of course, yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
22:52
another time. Um, so I want you to think of like, the identities that you that you are, that you are naturally, that you inhabit, that you know, obviously, like you're a father, yeah, your husband,
Casey Schmid
23:07
yes, most definitely, father, husband, brother. Those are, like the typical relational ones, right? Yeah, I'm a pianist. Oh, beautiful. Yeah, I played piano for a very long time. Um, some of the, okay, so some of the things that, yeah, some of them are more like wishful, which is not where we're going with this.
Leigh Ann Orsi
23:33
I mean, it is, and it's become one list. So if they are, if they if they're coming, now, there's no reason to stop them. You can just put it out there.
Casey Schmid
23:40
Yeah. Well, mine were, well, okay, so I used to be, I would call myself a woodworker, like a carpenter. We love that, but I'm not anymore. I used to be, but I don't. When I moved over here, my wood shop was gone, right? It's, I don't have it anymore.
Leigh Ann Orsi
23:57
That's okay. I think, I think that if it's a part of your identity, and it's a part of your spirit. Let's write it down.
Casey Schmid
24:04
Yeah, I don't know mine. I've got, I've got a, like, an abstract one. My thing is, I like to, I don't know helper is not a really good one. That's a very vague one. I like to, I like to solve problems for people, problems, yeah, but they have to be a problem that I'm passionate about. Basically, well, I don't know. I haven't really, this is going to be kind of like a weird I've never done therapy, ever, not that this is therapy. But the I have never, I don't really, kind of, I'm a dude definitely, for sure. And so I don't do a lot of, like, self reflection and emotional thinking, right? Although I am. I just turned 40 West last year, and so I've kind of been doing, like, affected me a little more than I thought it was going to. So I've been kind of thinking about a lot, like, you know, a lot more. Of stuff, but yeah, like a problem solver helper type thing. I that definitely, why don't you
Leigh Ann Orsi
25:06
put Problem Solver slash helper? Because part of the process is letting it sink into yourself. Because what we're going to do is we're going to come up with the, like, main constellation today, and then you're go sit with it, and you're going to have like, a shower moment where you're like, I'm actually this,
Casey Schmid
25:21
yeah, yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. Yes, yeah, yeah. It won't. It will not happen today. It has to happen later, and it has to be Yeah, and
Leigh Ann Orsi
25:28
it's in a quiet moment because the subconscious answers, right,
Casey Schmid
25:32
yeah, okay, oh, I just okay. Sorry, I just had an app idea. Sorry, I'm writing them down as I go.
Leigh Ann Orsi
25:41
Good, good, good. I love it. Yeah, one of the things we talked about is we do right now, it's just one client kind of giant thing, but we also have to give everyone, especially because the market, the opportunity for breaks, like they could take a break after each question, if they want, because, like a lot of these apps, they want to be like, five minutes at a time, 10 minutes a day, right? I mean, someone sit down and do it in an hour, but it also needs to be very digestible for like, it's five minutes a day if you answer each one of these questions, whatever, I don't, I don't know. I've never done it that way, but, but I think that it can work,
Casey Schmid
26:17
right? Yeah, no. 100% definitely good. Yeah, definitely. Good. Okay, um, I know you want to. I guess we're, I guess. What do we do? We do three to five or so. Let me see if I can come up with one more. Don't, don't
Leigh Ann Orsi
26:30
worry, don't worry about the numbers, because you're not at this point. You're actually not supposed to know the future structure right? Now, it's just what we call like a mind stump, right? Okay, all the things that naturally come to you, right? And I don't know if you have anything about your career, if that's interesting to you, yeah, developer, that you're a what engineer, whatever, however you envision yourself, yeah, I think
Casey Schmid
26:55
that's probably I would call myself an engineer, because it doesn't really matter what kind of engineering, it's interesting to me. So I only happen to be good at one of them, which I don't even do anymore. I was the my old my old job, the nuclear power job, Mm hmm. I really enjoyed that job a lot. That was a great job. And I say I'm not good at this one. I'm, I'm better than most people, and I'm not horrible, but I'm, I know enough at this, about this, to know that I'm no good. Does that make sense, right? Like, I'm not
Leigh Ann Orsi
27:31
pretty far advanced, yeah, well, you
Casey Schmid
27:32
need to be. I know enough to know that I know what I don't know. Or does that make any sense? I don't know if it's like, yeah, yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
27:39
it's an arrow Aristotle moment, yeah,
Casey Schmid
27:41
yeah. You get these, yeah, when you first start, you're like, Oh, you learn how to make a, you know, a Hello World app or whatever. And you're like, I can do anything. And then you're like, oh, maybe I can't, maybe I can't do anything. I
Leigh Ann Orsi
27:52
think that's the perfect spot to be,
Casey Schmid
27:54
yes.
Leigh Ann Orsi
27:55
Okay, so is there, is there anything else that you're like, definitely, am this on your list, or is this pretty much like, kind of, without having to stretch yourself too much, is this kind of the
Casey Schmid
28:08
Okay, yeah, I'll say for now. I'll say for now, yes, with the caveat that this list could be much better. Oh,
Leigh Ann Orsi
28:14
it's gonna get better, because that's only the first
Casey Schmid
28:16
problem. Okay, good, yeah. So I would say for probably for now. This is probably all right. Okay, cool.
Leigh Ann Orsi
28:20
So then now the next prompt is, what do you want to be? What do you envision? What do you hope to be in your life?
Casey Schmid
28:31
Okay, yeah, um, I don't. So I've, I have done this on my own, sort of but I never let, I never let myself do it. And it's because I don't, it's, this is a hard question. I don't know if I could. Okay, okay, here's an example. So one of my identities is I'm a dad, but I don't know if I'm the type of dad I want to be. Does that make any sense? Yeah. So how do I do? How does that go? How do you do?
Leigh Ann Orsi
29:12
Yeah, so I think it's perfect,
Casey Schmid
29:15
but Dad 2.0 on the thing, on the
Leigh Ann Orsi
29:18
Yeah, absolutely like. And here's the thing, is, you're gonna find, and one of the things that AI is actually very helpful at is helping you, like, find the new, the new who's the new dad? You know, who's the is it an engaged father? Is it a present father? Is it a is it a weekend fun? Father? Like, what is the word? And maybe it is dad 2.0 and you know what that is, and eventually we can write the statement that really defines it. But you know, what is it about your dad 2.0 that you want to incorporate?
Casey Schmid
29:53
Oh, yeah, that's hard, because that's you have to find. Yeah, that's it's you have to fill in the game. Gaps between here and there, and you have to even find out what there is first, so you can then fill in the gaps, right?
Leigh Ann Orsi
30:06
Yeah,
Casey Schmid
30:07
I know there are some things that I there's some things that for sure, that I know, like some of the gaps, like what I know, like some qualities of what dad 2.0 would look like and be, yeah, I think for now, if you have
Leigh Ann Orsi
30:22
them right now, you could just write a little dash and just write them, because it's really important to capture ideas as they flow. Yeah,
Casey Schmid
30:29
you
Leigh Ann Orsi
30:30
know, because we don't want them to run away. Since we're doing this on paper, it will also come back up when it goes to the I am statement, writing right? Like, it'll be like, what, what is it that you want to be as dad? 2.0 like, describe dad, 2.0 right. And then it's like, well, he's this and that and that, whatever. And maybe I'm not those things now, but, but this whole process is in order to inspire and fuel you to be the man you want to be. Okay?
Casey Schmid
31:04
Yeah. Well, this is great. Alright, one of my, one of my want to bes is going to be, I'm going to put, I'm going to say business owner on here, which is not really the right, it's not, it's for lack of a better term, business owner I want to be. I want to be self employed. Yeah, or Yeah. I don't really know how to I don't know what the best thing to do. You want
Leigh Ann Orsi
31:32
to be. I guess entrepreneurial is it? It's,
Casey Schmid
31:40
it's it's weird, because it's not about money at all. Has nothing to do with money. Most a lot of people, most people, hustler world, right? Yeah, it's a, I wish, yeah, I don't know this one's trying. It's congealing as I'm thinking about it. Yeah, it's a it's a freedom thing. What I really, I guess, what I really wish is I was able to I wish I was calm. I don't know this is going to sound horrible. I don't it's because I'm horrible with words. It's going to take me weeks to figure this stuff out, but I wish I was competent enough and successful enough to be able to do what I wanted. Does that? I don't know if that makes any sense. That's that sounds horrible. What I mean is, I wish I could spend my time and energy doing something that I thought was productive, not just because I'd have to put food on my table. Does that make sense? Yes,
Leigh Ann Orsi
32:36
absolutely. You want to be taught. I mean, look, I think everybody wants this. So it's not weird. Everybody wants this. And so put business owner and leave it as a great holding place for now. Yeah, but you and you want to be like, inspired. You know you, you want, yeah, you want to work like for a purpose. You want to be purposeful in your work? Yeah,
Casey Schmid
33:03
well, I want to do something like, I don't want to, I don't know, I guess, I guess, make an impact, or leave some sort of legacy of some kind, I know that's kind of that weird. Like, yeah, you know, like, I, one of the things that hit me was, I was, I realized that, like, if I just keeled over, like, didn't wake up tomorrow morning, that would be it, right? And nobody would be like, Okay, well, what? Like, my kids would miss me, of course, right? But then in in five or 10 years, it's like, okay, well, what did you like? What'd you do? Did you do anything? I feel like, no. The answer is, no. I did a bunch of cool stuff while I was alive, but none of it stayed
Leigh Ann Orsi
33:38
so this is exactly what this process is about. And through this process, you are going to not only define the direction that you want to go, but you're also going to add fuel to the tank to get there. Awesome. So I'm really excited. I also have to say that working with people and doing this work, it's very, very interesting, because, like everyone I work with, I teach the process too. Yeah, and it's really cool.
Casey Schmid
34:02
That's awesome. Yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
34:06
right? Business owner, and know that it's like a bad placeholder for this whole nexus of ideas of what kind of want to do in the world.
Casey Schmid
34:16
Yeah? You know, maybe
Leigh Ann Orsi
34:18
you want to write some little words next to it, which is, like, impact, purpose. You know, I think impact probably is a bit closer to what you
Casey Schmid
34:29
I think I wrote, I wrote legacy, because I think that's a yeah, good, or just something that, something that's going to hang out, right, like, I don't know, doesn't even
Leigh Ann Orsi
34:38
be really proud of, yeah,
Casey Schmid
34:40
that's the thing is, I think, I think really, it's not about, it's not about anyone else, right? I think I don't, I don't, necessarily, I don't want to be famous, right? Definitely, don't want that. That's not, I would not, yeah, but I. The famous
Leigh Ann Orsi
35:01
stone debacle. I
Casey Schmid
35:02
can't, I can't only imagine, yeah, and I don't like, I don't even like to have birthday parties, because I don't like to be the center of attention. So it's just like, like, no, no, thanks. So, yeah, I think, I think, really, what it is, it's, it's a, I want to leave behind something that I'm okay with. I don't need validation for anyone else. I just want to be okay with it myself. I don't want that. I think that puts it out of perspective a little bit. That's
Leigh Ann Orsi
35:30
all that matters. Okay, hold on. I'm just writing this thing to the stupid operator. Oh yeah, telling it to not ask me every time it finishes a task, if it can go
Casey Schmid
35:47
on. Oh, yeah, you probably, there's probably some setting in there, some like, auto complete setting that you can turn on. Well,
Leigh Ann Orsi
35:52
I can usually ask it to to not ask me, and then it and then,
Casey Schmid
35:57
okay, good kind of
Leigh Ann Orsi
35:58
good to do it in the beginning, because it needs to, yeah,
Casey Schmid
36:01
otherwise, you gotta watch it. We'll just let it like, yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
36:04
run away. Yeah. Okay, so we have, we have, what? What do you aspire to? So, what? What else? So you aspire to work that's meaningful. You aspire to do something that you personally are proud of, and you feel that leaves the legacy? Yeah, it's,
Casey Schmid
36:22
it's funny, because a lot of these things could be, could be tied together, right? A lot of this legacy stuff could tie back to dad. 2.0 I think that kind of, let's do this. You know what I've been tossing around, I'll put this on the list, because I kind of want to, I think I could do this. But I have been, I've been wanting to and never, I have never done it or attempted to do it is write a book of some kind. Yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
36:49
love it. So author, yeah, let's go with that.
Casey Schmid
36:54
That Sounds good.
Casey Schmid
37:02
Yeah. Let me see.
Casey Schmid
37:22
Yeah.
Leigh Ann Orsi
37:23
We don't have to dig too deep, if that's all that kind of comes to you, because next we're going to go through the categories, which, once you go through the categories, then you're really prompted in these very narrow fields, because these are the two big fields. Who are you? Who you want to be. And then we recommend you consider something in each of these sort of silos. Okay,
Casey Schmid
37:45
all right, that's good. Yeah, there's another one, but I can't, like congeal, it into anything right now,
Leigh Ann Orsi
37:53
don't worry, because what what we do is we kind of create this first list, and then we see where they fit in the different like things that we really recommend people have, like, a that people consider to have, like a full and complete life, is all these areas kind of just based on the human experience. We recommend these, and then it can prompt like many new ideas.
Casey Schmid
38:18
Okay, cool, yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
38:20
cool. All right, okay, so, so just looking at your list, you feel good. There's nothing that's like dying to come out of you that has
Casey Schmid
38:29
no and again, for me, I could just, I just, I know myself well enough to tell you that this I'm gonna, I'm gonna be doing this on my own. Probably I will add things my own self later, but I'm I'm not very good on the spot. I'm actually horrible. I'm horrible on the spot. But in two weeks I can come I can give you a great list.
Leigh Ann Orsi
38:51
That's all we need, because this is not an on the spot job. This is like a serious chew it over, mill it, let it sink into the ground water, let that alchemize the work and figure out, and you will like one of my, one of the other people that I work with that maybe you guys will meet one day. She's on the design side. She like hers. She started with this stuff that was kind of just basic. She came back with the most incredible names that I feel like she's just kicking ass, like her names are the coolest one, like her money one was architect of abundance when she Yeah,
Casey Schmid
39:27
that's good, yeah, that's a creative lady. Yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
39:30
yeah. It was great. Yeah. She's very creative. And
Casey Schmid
39:36
to get examples in the chat for that, well, actually
Leigh Ann Orsi
39:40
first yes and but, but also, they're really good at coming up with it. Like, chatgpt is, bet is better than us. You know what? I mean, yeah, that's
Casey Schmid
39:48
one of its specialties, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Leigh Ann Orsi
39:50
It's really good. In fact, like brainstorming ideas for like a company or a brand or a word, or, like, combining words to make new words, like, oh so. Yeah,
Casey Schmid
40:00
it's great. Yeah, really
Leigh Ann Orsi
40:01
cool. Wow, amazing. It's fun. Okay, so we're going to start with passions. You know, it says one to three, but I actually need to, like, remove that, because it's really multiple. Like, we don't want to limit someone's passions. But these are basically the things that make you you, okay, you know what I mean? They're kind of like your personality, your, you know, the the uniqueness of yourself, right? Because these are kind of, these are the very variable ones that are based on the individual and their temperament, okay, all right, often, those are easily picked from your previous ones. Yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
40:46
and you actually need to pick them, so why don't we just skip that one, and why don't we do the other smaller categories, and then you can, kind of, once we fill that out, we can kind of come back and decide which is which of the outstanding ones you want to really highlight.
Casey Schmid
41:02
Okay, I just changed my, I just changed my one of my original, my original ones from I took carpenter away and I turned it to Maker. Because I think that's yeah, that's better. Oh,
Leigh Ann Orsi
41:12
that's so good. I love it, yeah. So what I hear would be like, maker, pianist, problem solver, right? Those are your, those are your kind of passion things, right? Yeah,
Casey Schmid
41:31
yes, for sure, definitely.
Leigh Ann Orsi
41:33
I love it. And again, we can also refer back, um, but yeah, I think that those three, though, if you just chose those three from the list like I think the rest will be filled in everywhere else, but we can always revisit. It's also just know this work is never done, because as humans, we're constantly growing and changing, and you will reflect and review and change your identities forever, because you'll have a moment where you're like this just isn't landing anymore.
Casey Schmid
42:01
Yeah, it's not me, not Leigh anymore. Yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
42:03
it's actually this, like I'm evolving. I've evolved, and now it's this, you know. Okay, awesome.
Casey Schmid
42:15
Alrighty. Hold on,
Leigh Ann Orsi
42:16
sorry. One second I got it to do 45 minutes without asking me anything yesterday that was amazing. Like,
Casey Schmid
42:26
yeah, yeah, okay, that's awesome. Is it actually doing good work or no? Is it like doing things that you're like, Thank you, or is it like,
Leigh Ann Orsi
42:33
Well, I'm gonna have to check it all later, but navigating to book sheet. Anyways, we'll see. I lost you. Now. Where did you go? Ah, here you are. Okay. So the next one is the maker of money. So who is the maker of money in your life? And who do you aspire to be? This is no longer like, there isn't like, I'm a this now and I want to be this later. It's like, who is going to wake up in the morning and make the money in your life? Well, me,
Casey Schmid
43:06
I don't know if that makes sense, yeah. Oh, I see you're asking me, which one of these identities is going to do that. Is that right? I want
Leigh Ann Orsi
43:16
you to develop an identity, okay, that wakes up and makes the money, and the goal is
Casey Schmid
43:23
okay, that you
Leigh Ann Orsi
43:24
are passionate and excited to do so,
Casey Schmid
43:29
okay, well, okay, I already am doing that sort of, Okay. Well, I I like working. I don't know if this is I don't know how this is going to fit in or not, but I, I have ever since I figured out that the and I had to learn this on my own. And I learned it very late, Mm hmm.
Leigh Ann Orsi
43:58
But
Casey Schmid
43:59
the when I figured out finally that the results that I got were typically proportional to the amount of effort that I put in, I didn't I turned into, I mean, for better, for worse, a workaholic, right? I I work a lot, and I don't like to do a bad job. I don't like to do crappy things. I do. One of my core tenants is if, if you're not going to do your best, it's not worth doing at all. Right? Just don't do it. And so anything that I commit to do, I will do it. It's 100% 110% do it as best as you possibly can, right? So it may not be better than anyone else, but it's the best I can do. Otherwise, I can't. I don't feel good about myself. Besides, so,
Leigh Ann Orsi
44:50
so here's the question, who's going to wake up and make the money? Is it your hard worker? Yes, well, that's
Casey Schmid
44:57
who's doing it now, that's
Leigh Ann Orsi
44:59
who's doing it. Now, but is that the best and highest use of of
Casey Schmid
45:03
No, that's it. That's the thing. Is that I kind of have, I have a one tool toolbox, right? So that's kind of what I do. I just do that all the time, right, right?
Leigh Ann Orsi
45:14
And so we can get, there's another exercise, that's the shadow exercise, and it's, like, very good questions. Like, a lot of times we have parts of ourselves that are doing good things in our life, but they're maybe not like the best person for the job.
Casey Schmid
45:32
Yeah, you know,
Leigh Ann Orsi
45:33
like, your hard worker, your hard worker, I'm sure, like, takes care of you. But like, do you need to be a slave? Is like, the question you get to ask yourself,
Casey Schmid
45:42
right, right? Yeah. And
Leigh Ann Orsi
45:43
so right now it is the hard worker that's getting up and making the money. And you have a chance to re envision and reimagine your life and like, is it the maker who's getting up and making the money? Is it the like, who is making the money in your life, or who do you want to have making the money in your life?
Casey Schmid
46:05
Okay, so I have thought about this myself, and I have less I have I am just personally. I'm typically not a follow your passions type of person. I'm a very realistic person, or I try to be at least. I, I Okay, I'll, I'll just tell you a very quick story. But I played the piano since I was four years old. Amazing. I love it. It's, it's, it's an incredible thing. It helped. It has helped me out immensely. However, it taught me how to learn. That's the number one thing.
Leigh Ann Orsi
46:44
That was the
Casey Schmid
46:44
that was the most important thing, because once I was able to you can, basically, you can learn anything. It's the same as learning the piano, right? So it's the same exact thing. You just do the same stuff. And anyway, yeah, so anyway, you I went to college. When I first went to college, community college, right out of high school, which I barely passed. I was going. I went for music because I was going to be a professional piano player. That was duh. That was what I did. That was who I was, right? So I I quit three months in, I started in September, and I quit in December, and I never, never went back. And I it was because, and I remember the day this happened, but I realized that I was never, I was never going to make a living doing this. I was never going to be able to feed my family doing this. This is not something like, like, I had dreams and aspirations of being like, you know, like Peter Jablonski, or any of these, like, super famous people, right? And I was never, I, I'm never going to be there, right? There are three year old kids in in China right now that can play better than I can, right? And so it's like, there's no way, like, you can't, you just can't compete, right? So I was like, Okay, well, that's not me anymore. This is now just something that I do. It's no longer who I am, right? And so then I was, well, I went through this thing. I was only 20 at the time, right? So it's kind of like that kind of tossed me up in the air, and I didn't know what it's going to do, right? And I ended up joining the military, was what I ended up doing. But I, I don't. I will never tell my kids follow your passions, right? You're not, unless you are, like the top, top, top, top, right, and you know it from a pretty young age, yeah, or not. You're not going to be a famous baseball player or a famous football player or whatever it is you want to do, odds are probably not. You need to learn how to be a plumber, learn, go, learn how to be an electrician. Go do something practical so you can feed yourself, right? And then you can write, get and so I kind of turned maybe this is really, I don't know. I don't want this to turn into like a therapy session, but maybe it's like I got burned on mine, right? And so I kind of had to do that. And so I don't want to, like, you know, tell anybody that they can't do it. But it was just like, it was like, a wake up call for me, right? It's like, right?
Leigh Ann Orsi
49:08
You're not gonna, so you're, you had this, you know, passionate dream and a beautiful, like, a artistic I've, I've made my living as an artist for most of my life, so I understand
Casey Schmid
49:19
that, yeah, I imagine you had some, some darker days, for sure.
Leigh Ann Orsi
49:25
I owned a dance company for 15 years, and I got rid of it to do this, oh, yeah, like, I'm done, you know, yeah, and, and I had a I produced big live events. And so I really, really understand what you're saying, and you're also saying that you have this, like, big fall off of a expectation, right mountain, and then you realize, like, I just have to work really hard and I have to do something. Maybe you decided you have to do something boring or shitty, and you're gonna and then that's how you take care of your family. And you have that you. Right? And you're even going to teach that story to your kids.
Casey Schmid
50:02
Well, my, my life lesson was, make do, learn how to do something that will make enough money so that you can have enough money and enough time to do what you actually want to do, because you're not going to be able to make money typically doing what you actually want to do, right? I could. I mean, I guess I could. But even then, like, okay, like, like, like, okay, maybe I could. I thought about quitting my job and becoming a woodworker. That was what I was going to do. Before I learned how to do this stuff, I wanted to start my own wood shop, because I was, I loved it. I was like, This is great. And then I was like, I don't know if I want to do that, because I love doing it, but I like doing it because I could just go in my garage and fiddle around, right if it's a job. Now, the dynamic has changed, and maybe that's not what I what I want my hobby to be, right? So I don't know, there's a lot of nuance, right? I don't want to, I'm not trying to make black and white statements, right? But, well,
Leigh Ann Orsi
50:50
no, I think that. I think that, you know, hobbies and work, they're different. And let me tell you, like, when you make your I made my passion my job, and I eventually hated it, okay, because the nature of a job is that you have
Casey Schmid
51:06
to want the job. Yes, you have to get up and you have to do it. You
Leigh Ann Orsi
51:10
have to get up and do it. Your body's hurting and you don't. Actually, I know a very famous pianist, and like her, body is so fucked up from sitting on the piano bench and hunching over, and she's always getting these, like, treatments on her back and her hands and like, all this stuff, because she's got to play when she hurts, when she doesn't want to sit anymore, when she like, whatever, right? And so it there. There is the upside and the downside of having a job and having your passion be your job or not, right? And I think we want to, and I think that that is all like, you're actually going to be able to revisit and untangle, just like this conversation, you kind of have a new awareness of your thought, patterning around passions and work, yeah,
Casey Schmid
51:58
oh yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
51:59
woodworking. You wanted to do piano, and you ended up doing it engineering, right? And you have this new kind of awareness. This process is going to dredge up all of your conceptual ideas about life and allow you to challenge them and make sure that they're the ones you want to be operating out of, yeah,
Casey Schmid
52:20
because what
Leigh Ann Orsi
52:21
I'm hearing from you right now is like, I can't do the things that I want in life that make me happy, so I just have to, like, work really hard, because the only thing that works is to, You know, drive like a maniac. You know, in this one area so I can put food on the table. That's actually not how I want to live.
Casey Schmid
52:46
No, no and well, and maybe that, yeah, I get I get hyper. I get hyper focused on things I think I've and so what, in what I ended up doing is I've I found out, actually, when I was in the military, I found it. I would get, like, I could get zoned in on certain things, and that would be, like, all I would do. And at the time, it didn't really matter, because I just had a paycheck from the military. And so it didn't, it was, it was more about accolades and promotions and things like that. And then when I got out of the military, it became, it was a it turned into, okay, you can make money doing this,
Leigh Ann Orsi
53:32
like, with your hyper focus, yeah,
Casey Schmid
53:34
yeah. And so that's, that's more what it is now I don't one of the things I learned when I was when I got out of the when I got out of the military and went to go work at the power plant, was that I learned a lesson. I took a job because it paid a lot more money, and I regretted that very much. I'm proud of it, I'm proud of the work I did, and I'm happy. I'm happy that I did it, but if I got it to do over again, I would not, I would not have done that, and I learned not to take a job just because it pays Right, right? And so I have been very selective about the things that I want to do and the things that the things that I enjoy doing, but that being said, I I wake up every day, I guess you would say, right now, it's my problem solver and hard worker, person that makes all the money, but it's I'm not, yeah, I don't know how to
Leigh Ann Orsi
54:33
Who do you want? Here's the question. It doesn't matter what's happening now, because we're creating the ideal scenario, and you get to level it to the point, who do you want to wake up and make your money every day? What's going to feel really good?
Casey Schmid
54:57
I i. I don't know, because when I think about doing the things that I want, I don't imagine that, right? It's not, I don't imagine. I know we're talking about the it's, I know we're talking about the making money part. But like, when I go off into La La Land, and I'm like, I can just make the world view however I want. I'm not, I don't I'm not working. That's not what I'm doing at all. Right?
Leigh Ann Orsi
55:18
Well, and the thing is, we do, we do have to make money. And now I encountered people in this process who don't have to make money, and then I'm like, Oh, weird. You don't have to make money. Okay, that would be nice. Yeah. Well, they're college students. I've taught this to college students, which is actually, like, really weird, because they've been, never been asked, like, what are their identities and who do they want to be? They are just following, yeah, like, what everyone tells them, right? So you kind of actually ruin their life when you explain all this framework to them, yeah, it's much better suited to us, right? People who do know, have a lot of experience in the world and are ready to reorganize themselves. And so the truth is, right now you do need to feed your family and get up and make money, and you have a choice of who's sitting down at the table. Is it the hard worker? Because that's what works for you, and you're not like, really trying to do anything else at the moment. Yeah, is it? Is it your problem solver? Because then you could sit down at the table and be like, instead of just driving myself through this, I'm going to be more nuanced, and I'm going to have the problem solver sit and do this work, and one of the things we're going to solve for is making it less arduous, or whatever, right? So you have a choice of who sits down at your job right now. And like, one of the a great example of this is, like, you know, one of the women that I worked with as a mom, and she was, like, after doing this with you, like, I was doing the dishes as a vision of love instead of as, like, the pissed off mom with a dirty house, yeah?
Casey Schmid
56:57
No, that's great, yeah, you
Leigh Ann Orsi
56:59
know. And so it's about the energy that you bring and with who you assign, because when this is done, you're basically going to have, like a team of your best selves to go out and conquer your life, right? And so who is the best self to sit down and do your work right now and also know that this can evolve, and you can say one day, like, this is not how we're making money anymore. We got a new we got a new player on the field, and this is who's going to do it, or whatever. Yeah, but that's the question to answer.
Casey Schmid
57:31
Okay, yeah. I Yeah. This is good, because I have to, there's been a lot of stuff that I have to. I I'm very, I'm very much in my own head so, but I don't talk about any of this stuff to anyone, basically, hardly ever. And so it's just the, it's a well, I mean, it's the blind leading the blind really is what it is, right? Yeah. And in fact, the only reason, yeah, I think one of the things that, one of the things that I need to learn how to do, is I don't, I don't ever, I don't ever direct myself. Very much I need, I need direction, and so that's what I don't. That's why I don't have my own company right now. I have any ideas. I was just
Leigh Ann Orsi
58:19
gonna say, if you don't self direct, then, then, then, then, being a business owner is tough. It's tough, right?
Casey Schmid
58:26
Exactly. It's like, 100% right? And so, like, I can, I can make my own decisions, and I guess I can step into that role if I if I need to. I've been in charge of people before. I know how to be a boss. I know what to I know what to do. I know how to run a thing, right? I'm not saying I know how to run a business. I've never done that, and I don't pretend to know. Don't pretend to know, but I feel like I could, I could manage it, but I don't know. I don't know it's I lost my train of thought. That stinks. I kind of like fizzled out there for a second.
Leigh Ann Orsi
59:01
I think here's the really cool answer, is that the areas where you have the biggest resistance and the biggest struggle, you have the most opportunities for growth in your life. And I think because this question is so hard for you to answer, that it really shows like, hey, this area of my life, I could do some work here, and it's going to be really, really, you know, like, like, fruitful for me. Yeah,
Casey Schmid
59:33
yeah, okay. I know what. I know exactly what I was going to say, and I'm happy you said that, because it triggered it again. So I my thing. I think what has happened to me is I was, I've I was pointed in a particular direction, and then I kind of, I made some decisions, and I kind of pointed myself. But after that, I've been just kind of like, I just go whichever way I'm supposed to go right, and I just grind away at whatever that is right, and that's. Like, that's what I'm supposed to do now, I don't ever choose. I never chose for myself. Actually, for a very long time, I went to I joined the military, and the military told me what my job was going to be. So I did that, and I didn't take a job at that because somebody told me what to do. So I can do that, right? Let's go do this, get a, get an A on this test. Okay, great, I can do that. Okay, go fix that machine over there. Okay, great. I can do that, right? Right? This thing, whatever, right? What branch
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:00:22
were you in? The
Casey Schmid
1:00:23
Navy, the Navy.
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:00:25
Okay, yeah, my partner's a Navy SEAL. Oh,
Casey Schmid
1:00:28
wow. Okay, great. I wasn't in that kind of Navy. Yeah, I wasn't in that kind of Navy. I was, I had mentioned
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:00:33
that you were military and, like, whatever, I was telling him a little bit about you, but, and he asked, and I was like, I don't know. I'm not, I don't know to ask those questions.
Casey Schmid
1:00:41
Yeah, I was on. I was a, I was a nuclear mechanic. That's what I did. Yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:00:46
cool. I
Casey Schmid
1:00:47
was a nuke. I probably know what that is, if you if you mention it to me, yeah, I'm
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:00:50
sure I, I love that job.
Casey Schmid
1:00:51
It was a great job. I enjoyed it very much. But the thing is, that's another thing too. It's like, okay, I didn't want to be in the military anymore because I wanted to have a family, and I saw what happened to dudes when they missed, you know, the birth of their kid and stuff like that. I don't want to do that, so I got out. But then the only place to go, really, for me, and I'm too much of a baby big wussy, to do anything else, I was like, Okay, well, I have this knowledge. I'm going to go get a job, right? I can get a really good paying job at a nuclear power plant somewhere. So that's what I did. I went there, and then I sat and I did that, and then did that job, and then my wife picked me up, and she's like, okay, we're out of here. And we left, and I did it just to kind of change things up a little bit, I think, although I do miss my job, but I have, I have this job because I wanted, I needed to be able to be able to do something from home. I didn't want to go out anywhere, and I don't I definitely don't want to work for a Spanish company, because I'll make 10% of what I would make, right? It's awful. I have to work for American company, right? So I was like, Okay, well, I gotta work from home, and I need to work for an American company doing that. Well, what can I do? Okay, well, I'll learn how to be a software developer. And here I am, but it's kind of it's never been
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:02:04
like yourself tumble in luck, ever since lost your passion and your direction as a pianist.
Casey Schmid
1:02:14
Yeah, I guess so. And then I never really thought about it until just now. Well,
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:02:18
I was just gonna say, and in this moment of someone saying, like, what is your identity as a worker, you know, as a maker of money, like, we just uncovered this giant thing. And what I'm giving you is the opportunity to choose again. And I'm also going to tell you, you don't have to choose right now. At 11
Casey Schmid
1:02:39
in love in the morning,
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:02:41
you don't to choose let because this is a rife, like I said, the ones where you have the most struggle, the most resistance, that's where all the gems are, right? So let's just say, like the maker of money is a big question for you that you get to sit with and think about and come back. Yeah, about who do you want to be? Your maker of money? Because obviously, everything that you shared with me, like making this decision for yourself, is going to be, like, pivotally life changing, yeah,
Casey Schmid
1:03:12
I hope so. And it's going
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:03:14
well, just deciding, just instead of, like, drifting along with whatever the winds of your life, like you get to decide. Even if you decide I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing, you're going to do it from a place of conscious choice, yeah,
Casey Schmid
1:03:28
yeah, no, that's good for sure, right? Yeah. Holy moly. Okay, all right.
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:03:38
So I just have to say, and I'll just like, jump back into the product thing for a moment. What I love about this process is that it allows people to confront their entire life in this really, like, non violent way. If that makes sense, it's like you just have to come up with an identity that you want to be, and that all that question allows you to dive into the like depths of your life, like, without having to, like, do therapy and tell the sad stories and like, do all this stuff. It's like working on the infrastructure of your life allows you to touch all of these different things and improve them in this really, like, non invasive way, yeah,
Casey Schmid
1:04:29
very cool. Okay, yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:04:30
all right. I love this. I just feel like, I mean, I don't know. I feel like we just had, like, a huge,
Casey Schmid
1:04:36
yeah, no, I agree. I know what to think about, that's for sure.
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:04:41
Now, what happens when people do think about this stuff and they start living this way, the downstream effects are dramatic and not effortful, like just reorganizing this top like the. The trickle down like it's very natural.
Casey Schmid
1:05:05
Yeah, this is cool. I'm happy I like it. Yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:05:08
really cool. All right, so we're gonna skip that one, because I feel like we did, sorry. No, we did what we needed to do today, which was uncover. So we call it when my partner and I are doing work together. We call it like we just pulled a rusty tractor from the bottom of our lake.
Casey Schmid
1:05:25
Okay, yeah, no, that's good, right? That's a good that's a great analogy, for sure.
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:05:30
And then when you do, what happens is, like, the water lowers, and you're like, oh my god, wow. Like, my life's so much better. And then, like, all of a sudden, few months later, you find another one down there, and you pull it out. Water goes down, you know what I mean. So it's this process, but I think that you hit on something like really huge for your life, and making decisions in this manner, I think, like, it's going to be great. And we did what we needed to do today, which was just kind of uncover this. And I'm going to let you sit with what's the answer to the question actually matters less than everything that we just discovered.
Casey Schmid
1:06:06
Wait, okay, all right, that's a huge Eye Opener thing for me, because I didn't I took this whole thing more literal than I did anything else. And so that's actually this has helped out a ton, because it's given me a lot of perspective for what the app is actually supposed to be doing, yeah? So I get it a lot more, and so I'll be able to, I think I can, yeah, yeah. I've got a lot, I have a lot of ideas. So we can, hopefully we can get all that stuff, yeah. And
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:06:35
then I'm, I'm happy to have, if you want to have another, like, product meeting tomorrow, or whatever after you, or whenever you kind of look I'm here for two weeks where all my time is my own. And great, yeah, so I'm going to be whereas there I'm just, I don't know what's happening with my life now. I don't have anywhere to work. I don't have whatever. Like, in fact, I found a place to work that was, like, across the street from my other apartment, where I could, like, park my car at my apartment, but just like, walk across the street to this hotel has a beautiful atrium. Can work there. And they started fucking construction on it.
Casey Schmid
1:07:08
Oh, great. And so I learned, hey,
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:07:10
nowhere to work. Like, don't have my house. Yeah, I'm, like, a member of, like, a co working community, because I had a house where I had my office, and now this Airbnb, there's no one anyways.
Casey Schmid
1:07:22
Yes, yeah, that's a that's a disaster, yeah?
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:07:26
And so, I mean, luckily I'm an entrepreneur, and, like, I don't have to, like, sit and crank, you know, a bunch of stuff, but yeah, now I'm cranking out a fucking inventory, which is, like, great, highest and best use for my life. Yeah,
Casey Schmid
1:07:39
yeah. That's my
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:07:41
tour. That's my hard worker. Yes, yeah, okay. How are you with time? Do you want to just stop here? Or do you want to keep going?
Casey Schmid
1:07:55
I'm okay. I don't actually have anything else to do, so I don't want to, like, take up. I know you're probably got a busier schedule than me, so I don't want
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:08:04
to, no, I know, honestly, like this, this is important, so I don't, I think that when we find people's quagmires, they're not, like, repetitive, like, super repetitive quagmires, right, maybe. But I think we, I think we really, like, we hit the mother load there. Yeah,
Casey Schmid
1:08:20
it's gonna, I'll tell you this. It's gonna take me a little while to figure this out, although I will do that, I'm I know myself well enough to know like I always get upset. I get upset with myself, and I wish one of the things I need to practice is there's probably ways I could do this, but I just never have done it. It. I am very I will, I will react or have immediate thoughts about something, whatever, whatever it is that's happening, right? I'll get upset about something, or I'll, I'll be, I'll get something that will make me upset, or whatever, and I I won't know why. I won't have any idea other than I'm just upset. I'm upset. I don't know why, right? And so, or, you know, or this is confusing, or whatever feeling it is that I've got, right? And then I'll have a shower moment, like you said two weeks later, that I like, oh, that's exactly why I felt like that. But I it takes me, it literally will take me weeks to figure it out, and it's so frustrating, right? Because there's something blue, we're just like, bam, I got a right hand. Well, it's, it's awful, right? If I, I have lost every relational fight I have ever been in, because I I can't, like, I know how I feel, but I can't do the thing, right? And so when women are like,
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:09:41
because you can say, Listen, I reserve the right to come back after I've processed this emotionally. Yeah, I don't, I don't function in these sort of high, high stakes
Casey Schmid
1:09:53
environments, but usually by the time I figure it out, it's over, right? And so I can't be like, Oh, you remember that fight we got in two weeks ago? Yeah? It's like, okay, this is how I feel now, just, it's just shut it down, trash compact that thing down in there, and it's, well,
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:10:06
I honestly, the the reason is probably because of all the trash compacting that you don't have a clear,
Casey Schmid
1:10:13
well, no, that's, well, that's just a general dude thing, right? Guys just do that in general.
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:10:20
Yeah, you know. And you can learn to be you can learn to look, I mean, to be honest, I think that we unearth a big load of trash, compacting just a few for
Casey Schmid
1:10:31
sure. No, there's that's in there, right? And clearing that
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:10:34
out might make it easier for you to be in touch, because here, here's what happens to people like that. Follow the story that you did, which is, like I had this passion, then I realized, you know, I decided, because the truth is realized, decided, the truth is you decided that it wasn't going to work with you, and you made a different choice. And then you just kind of like choice upon choice upon choice upon choice that really cut you off from your like passion and yourself and your intuition and all that stuff, right? And so that is why you don't come you don't connect with your feelings and know this stuff in the moment, because there's a lot of compacted trash in between it and and you can unpack that and become more in touch with the way that you feel and and make that process quicker. If it's something that's important to
Casey Schmid
1:11:26
you, no, for sure, and I want to, I need to. That's one of the things that I was kind of like, yeah, I probably should start picking this stuff up. You ever watch Bill Burr?
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:11:35
Uh, no, but I'm, I'm slightly familiar,
Casey Schmid
1:11:37
yeah, no, he's, uh, he has this new thing he so you know who he is, right? At least. Okay, yeah, he's very gruff and very I relate to him quite a bit. I like him a lot. Yeah, I like him a lot. No, he's like, he says a lot of the i There's a lot of stuff he says, I don't agree with I don't listen to his podcast or anything like that. But his stand up for me is, like, spot on, right, right, spot on. And he has this new special that's where he's actually very much doing the same thing, right, where he's kind of, like, he's like, opening up and like, realizing, like, why he is the way he is. And he has this fantastic special that's like, Oh, Miss, great. But I don't know why you identify, yeah, no, for sure, because it's very much like, Well, if he can do it, then I could probably do it too, I guess, totally Yeah, that was Yeah.
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:12:25
Okay, so I'm going to do the next category, and then I'm actually going to, I'm going to leave you to to marinate with this. That sounds great. I'll come back for just in just like, a couple minutes. But the so the next category, this one, actually really changes people's life, and it may or may not for you, but it's the keeper of money, all right, keeper of money because a lot of people focus on making it. Yeah, they're not. A lot of people are focused on keeping money. Some people are right, yeah, the truth is, they're very different energies. Yeah, the person who sits down at your computer and like, you know, cranks all that stuff and does that work, is very different than, you know, the budgeting, the investing, the moving around, the finessing of money, right? And so having people consider who is their maker of money is a huge breakthrough. Or, I'm sorry, who is their keeper of money, just the idea that that's a separate identity with a whole separate set of tasks and doings and everything. So I'm going to give you that for just a second and I'll be right back.
Casey Schmid
1:13:42
Okay, Yeah, great. You.
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:15:53
Okay, I'm back. You
Casey Schmid
1:17:23
I am here,
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:17:25
amazing. I just got some food in my mouth. So
Casey Schmid
1:17:27
excellent. Yeah, I I got up to make a cup of coffee while I was
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:17:33
okay drink coffee at night, very
Casey Schmid
1:17:37
No, it's actually, it's decaf. But I just like, I it's more of a, it's like a comfort object. Now I sit so long at my desk. I sit here all day, every day, and so it's just like, Okay, start having a couple coffees. Kind of like a, like a tiny reset I get to do. Yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:17:55
I hear you. I love it. Um, okay, so doc on, who is your keeper of money. So
Casey Schmid
1:18:02
for me, it's my problem solver would be mine, because that's actually one thing I do pretty well, okay, my I also got, I'm also lucky. I made it sound like I fight all the time. That was actually just so not that it's, it's, might be TMI or whatever, but I was, I was married once before and and then divorced while I was in the Navy. And then I met my, my current wife, actually, right as I was getting out of the military. So and her and I never fight. We very rarely have a fight. And so we get, we get along in a lot of ways that that I didn't with my ex wife, but one of the ways that we get along is, is financially for sure, right? So my wife, my wife, is a saver. She likes to save. And I I wouldn't categorize myself as a saver, because I'm, I'll spend money when it needs to be spent. I don't like buying junk, like I would rather buy. I'd rather buy it for life than buy. You know, 10 chunky things, right? But that being said, I'm usually, I learned a little also, same thing I learned a while ago, that if I'm, if I'm busy, if I'm busy working, I'm, I'm too busy to spend my money,
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:19:26
right? You're not spending money. So
Casey Schmid
1:19:27
just, yeah, so I, I'm actually, one of the things that I did my 40th birthday present to me, was I, I, I paid my house off, so I don't and I have, so we're completely debt free. Like, 100% debt free. Wow. So I don't want to that was, well, it wasn't so much other, like, I said, it's not their possession, but I
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:19:51
feel that it's your problem solver that is your, that is your, or is there, like, even, because I also oftentimes recommend kind. Of inventing an identity that, okay, that was
Casey Schmid
1:20:02
what I was gonna say. So, like, I didn't know if I needed to choose one of these identities that I had already picked, if I could come up with a new one. Yeah, okay, all right, that's something, okay. That was something I wasn't that wasn't clear to me. I'm gonna make sure that I put that in the chat bot. Oh, yeah, no. Like,
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:20:18
here's some ideas. It's like, investor, millionaire, billionaire, wealthy man, woman, fulfilled, minimalist, youthful, retiree, abundant King. There's all sorts of fun things that you can bring to your money life, to your saving of money. It's like mine
Casey Schmid
1:20:34
doesn't mine is so weird. It doesn't have anything to do with any of that stuff. I know exactly why I do what I do. I know exactly why, and it doesn't have to. It's not for anything. It's not because it's it's because when I grew up, I had my I spent a ton of time with my grandparent, both of my grandparents, and they both owned a restaurant, and they worked together for 30 years in the same restaurant and and they were tired. That's why I moved up north, north into the country because they retired, they bought a they bought 160 acre farm in North Atlanta, right north of Atlanta, yeah, and so we that's where I spent all my weekends when I was a kid, and then that's where my grandparents were tired when they retired. And I went to high school up there and did all that. But I almost every single like, decision, like, like a life decision. Like, what kind of person do I want to be? How do I want to carry myself? How do I want to maintain my finances? How do I want to do all of that stuff? What do I want to be able to do for my family? All of that is, I want to be like grandpa, right? Like, that's it. I want to do that. So whatever he did, that's what I want to do, right? And so he, like, one of the so stupid, one of the memories that, one of the memories I have of him, is that silly. He always had, he always had cash in his pockets. Always, always, always, always. He had cash all the time because he had a restaurant, right? And he would take home the money from the register. Physical cash would be in a white bag underneath his seat, right? And he would always take out 40 bucks or whatever and put it in his pocket. He always had it right. And so if you ever needed anything, he would always be like, here you go, right? Or whatever. And it wasn't like he was just, like, handing out money all the time, but it was like you could always count on grandpa to have a fiver in his pocket or something, right, right? And so, like, that kind of thing to me, is always like, I never, I never had to ask my grandpa for money ever, because he would just give it to me, right? It would just, it was just like, and then he would give it to you before, only at the time, it wasn't just like, oh, free money from grandpa. It was like, you really needed it. And he was just standing there, like, it was, oh, I need to get, I need to get some money. And you start looking around, where am I going to get some? And he's standing there already, like, he's just got it out. Like, here
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:22:34
you go, right. There's an ease to that. And there's, there's like, a real, like, functionality to it, right? Like, it just worked well,
Casey Schmid
1:22:46
he was a big safety net kind of thing, but he wasn't an overbearing safety net. He didn't say, and he didn't never brag about doing that. He was just like, Oh, right. Here you go, right. And it was just kind of like a and so that, to me, was like, huge as huge, giant like that. Like, I want to do that. Like, if I can do that 100% I
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:23:06
really, I really support you your keeper of money being your grandfather.
Casey Schmid
1:23:12
Okay, sweet donut. Yeah, it would, you know who it would be, technically, is my grandmother would be my keeper of money because she's, I talk about my grandpa doing that. But the reason my grandpa had that money in the first place was because my place was because my grandma told him not to spend it, right? Because my grandpa would. He was, yeah, he Well, he was always giving us money. So he was always like, right, yeah.
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:23:29
So however, however, you want to embody your grandparents in an identity that you can own and step into and be for your family, for yourself, for your kids, yeah, have that sort of energy in it. Yeah? And again, if you just write grandpa or grandma right now, you can come up with, like, the perfect name later.
Casey Schmid
1:23:50
Okay, yeah, I got it definitely. But that's, that's where that comes from. It's not anything else. It's not because, it's not because I want to be a good saver, or I even want to be rich, like, rich, like, I don't even think, when I think about having money, I don't even think about, it's not a quantity of money. Like, I don't ever think about, like, you know, I I don't ever say, you know, oh, I want ten million right? Although, if I did have ten million I wouldn't work anymore. I would just be it, right, right? You
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:24:15
would, you would get it, you would get a wood shop, and you'd be woodworking. That's
Casey Schmid
1:24:18
exactly, that's the thing is, I have, I know, I know. I don't know what the exact number is, because I never really, really thought about it, but there's an amount of money that if you gave me this, I would not work another day in my life, right? That would just be like it. And for some people, it's like, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars. Mine is much more reasonable, right? I don't know, not well. I don't need that. Need that much money, right? For me, like to be done, like, I could say, Okay, I'm done, and now I'm like, set as long as I'm taken care of and I could take care of my kids, that's it for now, right? I don't have any I don't have much more inspiration, or I don't want to go much more farther than that, right? I'm not some one of those people that's like, and
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:24:54
that is, is unique to every single person, like I have on their retiree. You know that people want to do that thing? Where they, like, never work after they're 40, and they do all the savings and all this stuff like that will inspire your financial choices in your life, right? Like, if you, if that's your your option. And so some people want to be a fulfilled minimalist, that's their esthetic. Like, totally. Well, that's like, yeah.
Casey Schmid
1:25:20
But so for me, though, I do want to have money. I do want it, right? I'm not saying. I don't. I'm not. I will work. I work hard so that I can have it. But again, my reason for doing that is, is because I want to be able to do the same thing for my family that my grandfather was able to do for us when we were late, right? So and I love it if, and the way, the only way I'm going to be able to do that is if I got a big pile of money in the bank account, and I don't necessarily right, it's like, okay, yeah, fine, but you can handle whatever. Right. Doesn't matter, right? It comes. I
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:25:53
think that that is, like the perfect way to embody it, and you just have grandma and grandpa, and later we can turn it into like the perfect word, but that is your inspiration for that is your keeper of money. Is your grandparents,
Casey Schmid
1:26:07
yeah, yeah, right.
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:26:08
And, and your whole and your and all the choices that you make in that vein of your life is in order to live the way that they they did, right? Yeah? And they're and you're bringing their energy to it, and they're there to support you. I love it. Yeah, yes. Okay, cool. The next one is personal appearance. And this is a big one that people don't, yeah, that people don't consider, and that does make a really big effect on your life, right? Is like, how does the world. How do you want to be perceived by the world? How do you show up? You know what I mean?
Casey Schmid
1:26:46
Yes, and
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:26:50
this is an interesting one to be chatting with engineers about, because I think it's kind of like almost a culture of not like having personal appearance be, like, a very prominent part of your life, not yours, but I'm saying like, in general field, right?
Casey Schmid
1:27:09
Oh yeah, no, yeah, for sure,
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:27:12
you're a very well dressed engineer. As far as, like, right? Like, you're your hair cut. You always have, like, you know, a cute shirt on whatever. But it, I think that it's something that we kind of let slip by, especially in this modern world, that you are judged immediately by, and in a good way, in a bad way, by the way that you look. Yeah, right? People decide if they want to call the police when you walk into their store, yeah, based on physical appearance, right? Yeah. Are you groomed? Are you affluent? Are you you know what I mean? There's all of this stuff that that in it also shows how you care for yourself and things like that. So it's something that not a lot of people consider, and it is a way that if you have an identity in your life in this area, it can support you. Yeah, and so let me give you some examples of that one. So like model fit, phenom, dapper, executive, casual, creative. Mine, personally, is elegant icon right now. I'm also, like, sporty girl in the woods, but, but my in general, like, if I go anywhere, if I get dressed up, whatever, like, I go all the way out. In fact, everyone laughs. I have two modes. I'm either like this, like, in, like, Lulu Lemon, right, in a baseball cap, or I'm, like, suited heels, hair, like, all the way. So, yeah,
Casey Schmid
1:28:52
one or the that's cool. Yeah, that's awesome. But mine, mine has definitely gone downhill since I started working from home, for sure, right, right, right? I don't have, like, Okay, well, this camera is bit never on ever, right? And so it's just me sitting here working. I wake up most of the time. I'll wake up at five o'clock in the morning, and I come up and I make one of these, and I sit down at my desk and I start working, right? And I will, I'll, you know, my kids will get up and my wife takes them to school in the morning. She, she, I'm lucky she teaches at the same school they go to. Oh, wow, it's actually really nice, because they're on vacation right now, and my wife is off every day the kids are off. So, so it's beautiful. That's beautiful, yes. How
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:29:33
old are your kids? Five
Casey Schmid
1:29:35
and seven? Five and
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:29:36
seven? Yeah,
Casey Schmid
1:29:37
yeah. They're great ages, boys, girls. My, my five year old is a boy, and my seven year old is a girl. Oh,
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:29:45
wow, wow. Yeah, one of each.
Casey Schmid
1:29:47
Yeah, they're great. I love both of those kids to death. My My daughter is a spitting image, both physically and personality wise, of my wife, she's a carbon copy of. My age, a little miniature version of my wife and my my son is, he's, he doesn't look like me as well he does. He's got facial features and stuff, but he has Yes, bright red hair, like yeah, just Yeah, red, bright red hair and blue eyes and but he's, he's, he's a little carbon copy of me, personality wise. So it's, yeah, it's fun. Yeah, it's super fun. That's my little buddy. Yeah, amazing. Love that kid. Yeah. Um,
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:30:30
okay, so, so yeah, and here, no, that's okay. Here, it's thing, like, you get to choose this, like, one of the, like, a great story of this is, like, I had a girl was like, well, if I'm being honest, my identity is lazy slob, but like, that's what I want it to be like. I want it to be like, natural beauty. Like, I don't want to be one of those dolled up girls, whatever, but I want to be,
Casey Schmid
1:30:57
no, I I like to I like to dress nice. So it's like, it's hard, because I Okay. So here's my thing, by the way, thank you. Yeah, evil, even though I got I'm literally, this is pajamas, was what it is, yeah, and I have not shaved my face, and I will admit that I did not take a shower when I woke up this morning. Yeah, no, my so my thing is, is I do? I do like to look nice. And I used to, I tend to overdress when I go places. My wife's like, why are you wearing that? Everyone's just gonna be wearing beans. And it's like, What shit, man, I don't like, I don't go out very much. And so what I do so I'm ready, so what I want to Yeah, so
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:31:39
here is a great opportunity for you to fucking own that. Oh, yeah, own it. Own it. Let it be your thing. Let it be your whatever. Like, also, my partner is like that, like, he'll wear a three piece suit, like, to go out to dinner. That's awesome,
Casey Schmid
1:31:54
yeah, and we'll
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:31:55
go and he'll wear a he'll wear, like a blazer, and, like, he wears like, a sport coat almost every night when we go out. I mean, right now, all of our clothes are trapped inside of our house, whatever. Anyways, he's like, I'm a t shirt and Jean. I'm a t shirt and tennis shoes. Guy all of a sudden, like, you know, we actually just rescued his, like, custom Italian suits, and we're doing all this, like, decontamination crap to them,
Casey Schmid
1:32:21
yeah, oh, yeah. I wonder, can you just have them cleaned? Well, that does that?
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:32:26
Dry cleaning doesn't take it out. You actually, technically, they say you have to throw them away. But I think we're going to try to not do that. We're going to we've been using this, like UV light and ozone treatment, where we like close it and close it and like, like it, because the UV kills the mole, the living mold spores, and then the and then the ozone degrades the mycotoxins, and that's what's making us sick. And so after, like, laying it out, sigh, and then you can put it outside in the, like, fresh air for a while,
Casey Schmid
1:32:55
do do a test suit first, just, I'll tell you why. For the it's for the ozone. Oh, is it gonna
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:33:03
fuck it up? Well,
Casey Schmid
1:33:05
so I don't, I don't know if this is true. This is hearsay from the Navy. I have clothes. I have, well, I don't. I don't have, actually, any of them anymore. I had clothes that I took on the submarine with me, and they never stopped smelling like a submarine ever. They smell like the submarine all the time. And I was told by someone on the boat at some point, they were like. The reason it smells like that is the ozone on the on the boat, right? It's the oxygen generators and all this stuff, right? It makes ozone and puts it in. It's in the atmosphere at a higher concentration, or whatever, on the right, right? So, so they, you're all the clothes, they have a very distinct smell. When you get on the subs, it smells very it's like, that's the submarine. You smell it. You're like, oh, wow, I know exactly what that smells like. And all your clothes smell like that. So do a test suit first, put it out the sun so you can get the smells to go away, because otherwise you'll be, I don't want you to do 10 suits. That'd be
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:33:54
awful. I mean, well, the thing is, is like it like We're suing because it's that, or we're throwing We're suing them, and they're gonna have to, like, you know, we're going to buy all new ones, but in the meantime, oh, yeah, or, like, three grand a piece, you know what? I mean, yeah. And so he's gotta if, right now, he's not wearing them, but if he has to go, if he has to go, you know, he does some work in DC and whatever, if he has to go, he's gotta have a suit. And it's like, not even, like, he can get one, yeah, in any time, you know. So we just have to get it so that it doesn't make him sick and we don't, wow, that's right, golly,
Casey Schmid
1:34:26
okay, I, I don't know how it sounds like, it sounds it sounds like your partner, I and it might, I don't know. I don't want to. It might be a military thing, because the military is very good at doing this, which is very strict lines between work and play. I say work and play, right? You have to know when it's time to work and when it's work time, it's work time and then, but you have to immediately be able to switch, right? So you can, once you're done working, you can do this, or if you're scrolling off and having a good time. You, you have to immediately do, like, be able to go back into work mode immediately. And everyone's all doing work stuff now, right,
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:35:05
right, right?
Casey Schmid
1:35:06
And I think, I think that's kind of how, maybe I don't know, that's kind of how I look at it, a little bit like I don't I'm at home and I'm working. And so right now, this is what I would my utilities, is what this would be, right? I'm just working, right? But sometimes you can put on your dress blues and go out right, like, right? So that's kind of, I don't know, that's kind of how I feel about it, right? You're kind of, it's like, there's very strict lines for, like, okay, doing this, yeah, well, I would
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:35:33
say again, why don't you write down your ideas of how you want to embody this? And the other thing is, is that, you know, chat GPT is actually really good at helping you come up with, if you put a description, this is what I wanted to see, or even using the coach, you know, well, I need to get
Casey Schmid
1:35:51
the coach doing. That's what I'm supposed to do. Give you the right I need to make, I need to make my own chat bot that will help me do this right. That way is
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:35:59
that most people are not good at being creative and coming up with this stuff. And that's what I want to facilitate the help with. Yeah,
Casey Schmid
1:36:06
right,
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:36:06
yeah. So it's like, you kind of put the ideas in well, it's something like this, it's something like that, and then they say, great, what about this? What about this? What about this? You could be like, perfect, that's good for now. And the truth is, is like, pick one that's good for now, and let it spawn the next idea. Yeah,
Casey Schmid
1:36:23
no, that's great, yeah.
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:36:25
So, like, yeah, maybe, like, utilities and dress blues, like, maybe that's kind of your inspiration for your, you know, for your personal appearance. And maybe it is, like, you know, maybe, maybe it is kind of because, you know, in the military, you got to be super buttoned up. You got to trim all your little strings and, like, you know, like, you know, dress blues, whatever. I love that. And I really encourage you to own it, instead of be like, I like to dress up. It's like, no, like, this is the kind of man that I am. And like, the fact that I'm the only dressed up one in the room, like, that's on everyone. Else, not on me. Yeah,
Casey Schmid
1:37:04
I think I'm going to start doing that. There's no real reason. So it's actually nice because I it's funny, it's funny. I, I live in, I live in Europe, right? And so the the men here, lots of them, most of them don't, but lots of them dress up, very nice. They're like, yeah, like, they dress up, yeah, yeah. And so you can get away with it, right? You can walk around here in things that you could not walk around or you would be, you know, you'd have to live in, like, a city, right, to be able to dress like this, in the Yeah, and I live in, I live in a beach town. So it's like, it's funny. It's funny because you'll see people in, like, super business casual, and then there'll be, like a guy in flip flops with his beach thing, like all walking. They're all walking on the same, okay, yeah, I like that. And that's actually inspiring me a little bit. I'm gonna start, yeah, I'm gonna start doing that. I do like to dress up. I like dressing up a lot, so,
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:37:59
and that this is giving you permission to be your best self. You don't have to, like, dull your shine for other people, yeah,
Casey Schmid
1:38:06
yeah. Okay, thank you. You're welcome. Yeah, I'll have to come. I'm gonna come up with names of these, but, yeah, come up
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:38:12
with names. But here we're just kind of exploring the thing, the name doesn't matter. The concepts matter. Yeah, right. Okay. The next one is I find, well, I mean, it could be quagmire as well. It was a quagmire for me, but I find that people, people either are like a yes or no on, or they're like, they have one, or they don't. And if they don't, then it's something to consider. But it's spiritual identity, okay, um, you know, it doesn't necessarily have to be religious right, but, but it has to do with and what we find, I find that people that don't have one, they don't have a spiritual identity. When we get to the later work, you realize that it's something that's dramatically missing. Like most of the people that don't have a spiritual identity are really lacking peace. They're lacking comfort. They're lacking the soothing of their life. And so and I had this really amazing experience where I did this exercise with a couple of Russian women who just very easily chose something kind of universal, like, Oh, I'll be the universe's child. Like, that will be my, that's my spiritual identity. And it was kind of like, Oh, great. And like, they didn't have because they're Russian, so they weren't allowed to have religion, so they don't have a lot of yeah
Casey Schmid
1:39:31
bullshit
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:39:31
around it, kind of the way us Americans, like, very yeah rife, right? And so I really, if you don't have one, it is something to explore, to give, to bring peace and serenity in life and grace, because often, especially in our American culture, which is like only, like success and you know, excellence and pleasure. Driven Right? Like we're just like, work, work, work, and pleasure, pleasure, pleasure. We're really missing grace, yeah,
Casey Schmid
1:40:08
in
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:40:09
our lives, and having a spiritual identity, whether, and then that leads to practices, right? So like, it's first be, then do, and then you have the downstream effect of how that all makes you feel like I'm being a spiritual person, and I'm doing spiritual things, I'm going to feel that way. And it's the same thing as a father. If I'm being the kind of father that I want to be doing, the kind of things that that kind of that that father does, then I'm going to feel this way. And so this whole process is meant to have you be first, then take action as the kind of person that you want to be, and then the downstream effects of those emotions are really incredible,
Casey Schmid
1:40:55
awesome. Yeah, well, I'll tell you, yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:41:03
for
Casey Schmid
1:41:04
me personally, I do not have one, okay, but what you said makes sense. I don't. But, yeah, i i Yeah, I used to be right. So I grew up in the South, right, in both my, both of my, everybody in my family was everybody. My family was religious. And for a while there, we all went to church on Sundays. And then when I moved up north, which is the south, right, the South, you know, everybody, everybody, the only thing that there is to do in the town that I lived on Sundays was go to church. That's what everybody did, right? So and So, of course, I did. And then everybody I went to a school. My high school had 600 kids in it total. And so the thing that everybody did, right, if you wanted to, if you wanted to hang out with the opposite sex at all, it was church related activities, that's what it was, right? And so that's I, yeah. So I got, I was heavily involved in the church, and I have an aunt and uncle who are both pastors. Actually, I have two uncles that are pastors, and much other anyway, they're all heavily involved in the
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:42:14
church. Let me tell you, I'm going to just cut in for a second and tell you, if you don't have a spiritual identity. There's a couple of reasons. One is because you had trauma, spiritual trauma, religious trauma, and you chose to abandon, right? And I'll tell you that that's why I didn't have one, because it was something that, like, I didn't want to deal with, right? Yeah, I've started to, you know, kind of tiptoe back into the realm, certainly not in the religious side, but more on the you know, kind of more woo spirituality is like more my brand, you know, and, and, you know, the other reason is just that you kind of neglected it, right? Those are kind of the two, the two reasons. And so when it's a when it's a trauma avoidance, there's a rusty tractor down there, to one day when it's just neglect, you know, because you're doing too much of the other two, it can really bring you back into balance. So I do, and even though I'm someone who doesn't have, like, a very developed I would say mine is, I would say mine is more like health anyways, I have an interesting view on that as well, but like mine, is more health related. Would be my spiritual stuff, healing and, you know, that sort of stuff, but, but I know that there's a big part of my life to address there, and I know that my life will get better when I, you know, and I've had periods where I was like a really big meditator, and that really brought me a lot of peace like so there is always, there's rooms to grow. The great thing about this process is that it really identifies your areas that you can grow in,
Casey Schmid
1:44:04
right? Yeah, 100% I completely agree. I, my, my, what my spiritual identity is. I kind of I went through. I don't know exactly when this happened. I don't remember when. And I guess you say it was from when you said trauma. I was like, I don't have trauma. Like, I don't have any spiritual trauma. But now that I think about it, that's probably what it is, right? Because I know, yeah, I kind of got, I don't know if it's, we don't have to, like, when it doesn't have to be, like, this big thing. But I, like, I said, I was very religious. It was very involved in the church, very like, super gung ho. Everybody around me was, and so it was kind of like the thing everybody did it. I was fine. I was fine with it. But then when I left, I left the military, I like, oh, just gradually. And I don't, like, I said, I don't know when it happened. But I have no idea. But now I am very staunchly, like, anti religion, like, just, I like, I don't want like, I mean, and I'm okay. I this is ultimately, for me myself, right? I've never say this to anyone ever, unless they just asked me, right? And I'm not rude to anyone about it. I don't, for you know, I don't forebode anyone that their beliefs right? They can believe that's, I'm very libertarian as far as that goes, right, and just do whatever you want, right? Long You don't, right, don't, don't come. Make me believe what you believe. Yeah, right.
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:45:29
Step on my toes. Yes,
Casey Schmid
1:45:30
yeah, but, but for me, it just turned into this, like, I can't believe, can't believe you believe that. Like, I just, it's like, I don't know what I was thinking. I don't understand why I ever thought that was the thing. Like, it doesn't make any sense to me. Like, I don't, none of it makes any sense, right? So it's just like, for me, it's all religion is the same way. It's just like, I'm very like Ricky Gervais and, you know, Bill Mayer and Christopher Hitchens, like, those kind of guys. Like, it's just like, very much. Like, okay, no. Like, no. Thank you, right? And I go so far as to say that like, religion is like, I'm more like the Christopher Hitchens line where it's like that not only is religion not should not be a thing, it is the reason for most of the bad things in the whole world. Like, just like, I don't want anything to do with it. Just no thank you. But and I take I have not, I'm not. I am not. I'm not well spoken enough to be able to properly convey this idea. But I don't like the idea that people, one of the arguments is that they said you can't have morals, or you can't be a good person without religion, without
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:46:46
Christianity, yeah, or,
Casey Schmid
1:46:47
or just any other people. They're like, where's your moral compass? Right? What's to say? You know, it's all just relativism, and it's all just, you know, if I think it's good to murder somebody, then I can right? Well, no, there's objective truths. But I, I don't. I like to think of myself as a good person, right? I don't. I'm very I try to be considerate, not a horrible person. I know what's right and wrong. I had a good upbringing, right? But I don't need religion for that, right? And so it's almost like a, I don't know, very like, no. Like, no, thank you. Like, it's very like, I want, like, hard facts and science, and I don't believe in Santa Claus and I don't believe in the tooth fairy, and I don't believe in anything else, which is kind of
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:47:31
like, what about your kids?
Casey Schmid
1:47:34
Um, my my kids probably will not either. Well, later,
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:47:39
but I'm saying now, well, so
Casey Schmid
1:47:41
what I want to do with my kids is I want to give them the opportunity. I want to make I'm making it very clear to my kids that you do not have to believe what dad believes, right? Dad believes what he believes, right? And my wife is not very religious either, but, and so neither one of us go to church, and we don't talk about God, or we don't talk about any of that stuff, and so the kids are just not exposed to it. And I not exposed to it. And I think for that reason, just by proxy, they probably will grow up and be non believers in themselves. But
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:48:08
I do want to they could ricochet back, because they don't have whatever experience it was that drove you away. I mean, my experience is most people that grow up in religious childhood and young adulthood and then, and then exit at some point is because they have a bad taste in their mouth. And, you know, I actually grew up non religious, and then my mom turned like crazy psycho, Born Again Christian when I was a teenager, and used it as this, like horrible weapon against me, of like a hateful weapon. And so, yeah, I'm like, traumatized. I
Casey Schmid
1:48:42
love that. There's a there's a meme. I guess it's a meme. I don't know what it's some movie that they did it. They did it so good. But the lady, there's a lady, it's a scene. I feel this place in my brain all the time when I'm thinking, we're talking about this. It's the it's a lady who's, she's got the Bible in her hand, and she's, she's yelling, and she's like, I am filled with the love of Christ, and she throws the Bible because she's mad at whoever she's talking to, right, right, right? And it's just like, That is perfect. It's perfect. Yeah?
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:49:08
It is, in my opinion, it is the opiate of the masses, the control of the masses, right? Yeah. However, what? Yeah. So I'm gonna do the caveat that I was thinking about. So one thing that I find very interesting is that most of the practices of religion have been brought back in our modern secular time as health practices into, you know, individual and isolated from the church. So fasting, prayer, meditation, community, ritual. We've all kind of brought these things back, very siloed, right? And not and not as a part of religion. And I will also say that I think that the secular experiment of America. Has not going very well. That's true. 100%
Casey Schmid
1:50:02
you know what
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:50:04
I'm saying, yeah. Well, no,
Casey Schmid
1:50:05
because I think on a grand scale, a person, a person can be a good person without religion, but people in general are not good people without religion. They need something to tell them what to do.
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:50:18
Well, I think that the big thing for me, what I see as what I see as helpful, and what I see that people need, and what I what I believe that I need, that I don't remember sometimes, because I'm not part of this sort of institutional understanding that they're that I'm not the biggest, most important thing, and the buck and the ideas and the optionalities Don't all stop with me, because it's too much pressure on the human brain, and that there is Something really relieving and really powerful about being able to surrender, turn over problems and absolve yourself of having to, like, figure out, know, understand, manipulate and control everything. Yeah, that's not fucking good for us, and it doesn't work. And it's also not true, yeah? Like, there are huge forces at work. And like for me, I guess I could say, like, my religion is like contemplating the VA. I mean, I've always like the universe is kind of like my God and nature, yeah, the beautiful design, divine perfection of systems, of natural systems, right? Like you work in manufactured systems, right? And like they do not even approach the divinity and beauty of nature and perfection and design. And so those are the things that I find peace, and so listen and I find that to be my religion, as opposed to this, like, fucking controlling, manipulative narrative, yeah, of Christianity,
Casey Schmid
1:52:12
yeah, yeah. It's very for me. All of the what people would typically call spiritual things are, are they're attached to religion, and that, to me, is not very spiritual at all, because it's,
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:52:23
yeah, blind following whatever.
Casey Schmid
1:52:25
Yeah, I just don't, it's, I don't know, I look at it now I almost, I don't like I said. I don't begrudge anyone their beliefs, right? That let them believe whatever they want. But I don't. It's, it's hard for me to, I don't know it's, it's like, it's almost like, I mean, to be to this is not a good way to put it, and I'm just going to sound like a jerk, right? But it's like, you can't think for yourself, right? You can't you have to have like you're not allowed. You don't think like you can't look at all, you know, all sides of things. And I kind of, maybe, I'm this is probably bad. This is probably a bad personality trait of mine. But I have, I feel like I've been on both sides of the fence, right and so, and I've feel like I'm on the right one now, right? But at the same time, like you said, I don't have a lot of the, I guess, in a lot of ways, religious people. For religious people, anyways, they're able to, like, shut off part of their brain that would otherwise be thinking about other things, because they could just say, Oh, well, that's, you know, God's going to take care of
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:53:34
Bible. Decided it or,
Casey Schmid
1:53:36
or, you know, I don't have to worry about this, because I, like, I know we'll be okay, because God's going to take care of us, and they really believe that, right? And so that's great. I don't have that. And so I spend a lot of more time worrying about things that I probably shouldn't be worrying about.
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:53:51
Is there, there's a happy medium, right? That, I think that those of us who's completely abandoned the trappings of religion have lost some of its value, whereas we see the extreme of like, you don't use your fucking brain right as a negative. However, there is a sense of peace, a sense of surrender, and a sense of like, it's not my fucking job, yeah, and that we're not supposed to operate at that like, like being all the time so, so, and I'll say that, like, I'm one of the people that, like the spiritual one is, is is crunchy for me, like a struggle with it. But I also see the value, and I do see the peace that people who have one have and I honor its value. And so I find that people who don't have a spiritual identity, when we get deeper into work, we get deeper into the shadow work, you actually realize that that's actually what you need to soothe all of your shadows that are protecting you. They're protecting you from the fact. Fact that you don't have anything like this to help you, yeah. And so I find it actually to be circularly relevant in the overall like, wellness of a human. And so I think that there is a place for it. And you know, the Christian entrapments of our youth, it's that's not the only answer, and we don't need to, like, cast off the entire category because of our narrow experience. So I'll just leave you with that.
Casey Schmid
1:55:35
Okay, yeah, I, I do need to, yeah, that one, yeah, that one, I'm gonna have to sit that's for sure.
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:55:46
And also you can choose, like, Hey, this is not a priority for me right now, because I am, like, you know, the the other things I've uncovered I am really passionate about, and so I'm gonna put this to the side, because we can, if you don't choose it now, it's also fine. We can we will, like I said, when we come it could come full circle. You could be someone who doesn't have a spiritual identity, and it's totally fine. But I find that it comes full circle eventually, and you see, even if you're not ready to choose it, then you see the value it could add. Yeah, and that's
Casey Schmid
1:56:17
the I agree. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:56:21
Okay, um, this next one is physical expression, health. So this one kind of manifests in people. It's different than than personal appearance, right? This is your physical the way that you care for your body, which is your vehicle. This is your suit for while you're here, you know, how do you end to it? You know? And, and everyone has a kind of different way. Like, obviously, I mean, I'm a very athletic person. My partner is, like, extremely athletic, right? So, like, ours tends towards the athletic fitness side. There are other people like, you know, I know some girls who, like, will never go to a gym ever a day in their life, but they're, like, really big on all their supplements and their food and, like, their, you know, their skin care and, like, you know, whatever. So, like, everyone kind of has their own lane here, but it is very important to tend to your vessel and, and, and, who, who? Who are you in that category?
Casey Schmid
1:57:25
Well, I'm definitely lacking. That's for sure. I, I, I, I used to take very good care of myself. What I found out this is kind of, this is a more broad, a broader thing, but I found out I used to when I used to sit, I used to sit at the bottom of the ocean, at the bottom of a submarine, and wish like I can't wait to get out of here. All I want is free time. Let me get out of here and let me do what I want, right? And I have that now. I have complete freedom. I work the hours I want to work. I wake up when I want, I go to sleep when I want, I do all that stuff when I want. And I have everything available to me. I have any social interaction I could possibly want here. I have a gym within walking distance. I have a beach within walking distance. I have a historic downtown center within walking distance. I have everything that I could possibly want, and I don't do any of it. I do none of it. I am not capable of holding myself to a strict like, you know, set of like, give yourself your own schedule and take care of yourself and do all of the things that you need to do during the day. Um, I
Leigh Ann Orsi
1:58:44
was able to do that. You're not capable of it. Or you could say that you have not
Casey Schmid
1:58:50
found, no, you're right. Well, so the thing, so, that's the thing, that's, that's it. It's like, I I have to be focused on it. I have had times when I will right? I went before I got before I started working. I came here. When I moved here, I quit my job, and for the first 18 months or so, I guess it was a year. Oh, no, it was two years. Sorry, two years. The first two years, I didn't have a job, right? I was, I didn't there was, I finished my degree the first year, and the second year, I learned how to code well enough to be able to get a job, right? So I had no work. And so it was just like, I didn't have to do anything. And so then I was I was waking up super early in the morning. I was going running, I was working out, and I would come home. I was eating good. I was doing all the stuff I needed to do, and it was great. But then the second that I got a job and I had stuff I had to do, all that went out the window, like 100% and my job became my focus, and that's all I focus on. That's it. It's 100% and it's it sucks, because I need to be able to do more than one thing. I have 1000 things that I want to do. I don't practice the piano as much as I should, I don't read as much as I should. I definitely don't spend as much time with my family as I should. I don't eat right. I don't sleep right. I don't exercise right. I don't do any of that stuff. And it's all so that I can focus on work 100% because that's all I'm doing,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:00:12
because your maker of money is like running or the I'm gonna say, we haven't done the shadow work, but I'm going to say, I'm going to bet that your shadow worker is running amok in your life and kind of stealing all of these other opportunities for you. And that's why choosing who's going to do the work is going to be very important. And when we do the shadow I could already tell where your back stops are built, right? But what's really beautiful about this process is is deciding that someone who is your highest and best self, instead of your most afraid self, is doing the work right, and then picking like, okay, my physical expression person is this, and I'm going to go do this. And so when you say, like, you know, one of the great examples is like, I am an athlete, therefore I wake up in the morning and I go to the gym instead of just trying to go to the gym, right? It's totally different than being an athlete. So athlete goes to the gym, then you feel good, right? So this is the downstream effect of starting in this manner. So you get to choose, what is your physical expression? If your physical expression is, you know, pasty paled to a desk. You know, pasty
Casey Schmid
2:01:31
chain to a desk. That's what it is. That's what I want it to be. Right, right, right? Difference, yeah, you
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:01:38
get to pick, you get to choose. And that's what's really beautiful, is that. So this exercise that we're doing is to take the shadow subconscious out of the driver's seat and put the team of your choice. Yeah, right? Because we are all governed by our survival instincts. That is how we survive. And until you decide there's a better way to do it, they're going to just do that, right? And so it is a survival mechanism for you to chain yourself to your desk and work all the time, right? And neglect all these other things in your life, and you don't have to live that way?
Casey Schmid
2:02:26
Yeah, yeah, I'm definitely on autopilot.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:02:30
This is a method for replacing those patterns, yeah, and I think it's fun way to do it, as opposed to, like, sit in therapy and, you know, hash out all the bad things that happened to you when you were a Christian, whatever, you know.
Casey Schmid
2:02:49
Okay, this is great, yeah, I guess so, yeah, I don't know my, yeah, my, my current identity for that would be pasty, pasty pasty desk warrior, yeah, out, yeah, something like that, yeah, pasty desk warrior, that's good,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:03:13
but that's not, that's not like I would say that's not,
Casey Schmid
2:03:17
yeah, I don't want to be that person. I know, but, but you're
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:03:21
having this moment where you're like, well, if I'm being honest, this is what it is, but what I actually want it to be is and you, again, you don't have to be on the spot to figure out what it is, but you, if you have some ideas, you can share them with me.
Casey Schmid
2:03:36
I don't, yeah, I don't know how I could put it into I don't want to be. I don't want I'm not a gym, bro, not at all. Yeah, I don't know. Is
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:03:51
it a oh
Casey Schmid
2:03:52
yeah, runner, for sure. I like running. I enjoy running. I ran a marathon when I was in high school.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:03:57
Oh, how cool. Yeah,
Casey Schmid
2:03:59
that was fun. I only did it once. I did it once, and that was it. But I do like running. I enjoy running, but that, again, it was one of those things. I just, that's what I focused on, and then I did that like, right? So I can just what I need to do is figure out how to point myself in other directions. That's really what I need to be able to do. But I'm not good. I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to do
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:04:21
that. I will tell you that this process is going to help you. This process is going to help you by deciding you know who you want to be, and all these things. And then there's actually, like a whole system for taking action as all the different selves that you want to be
Casey Schmid
2:04:42
awesome, okay,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:04:45
okay, that's, that's what we're creating here. You've just peered into step one.
Casey Schmid
2:04:51
Yeah, I like running. I like calisthenics. I did, I did for a while. I did a I was doing a Murph every day. That's how I would do it, because it's, it was actually perfect, because there's an outdoor gym that's a mile, like, literally a mile, right from my house. So I could run. I could run there. I'm
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:05:13
there. Go do
Casey Schmid
2:05:14
all my stuff and then run home. Yeah, I yeah, I don't. I don't want to be like, I don't want to have or, and I never will have, like, a Ken body or anything like that. But I do want to be healthy. I would like to be, yeah, but and that thing, as I think about that stuff all the time, I do all the time. I'm like, Oh, you need to do that. I have 1000 things. I'm like, Oh, you need to do this. But I'm like, working away. Like, here I am working away. Yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:05:50
well, I think, look, thinking about it is the first step, right? And realizing, I think, like, for you so each, each kind of story unfolds, but I think for for most of our shadows are running our lives, and so you're kind of like, okay, we can un hutch, hitch the wagon from this guy,
Casey Schmid
2:06:07
yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:06:07
we maybe put these other guys in charge, you know?
Casey Schmid
2:06:11
Yeah, no, I definitely need to do that for sure. Yeah, yeah, right now, I guess I'm a pasty desk warrior. That's correct, for sure. And then I wrote
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:06:27
so I'm just doing it, because one of the things we do in this process, so just as you characterize the identities as kind of these, like grand names of yourself, you do the same for your shadows and when you identify. So, for example, like, it's kind of comical, right? You kind of identify. Like, okay, when it comes up in your life and you feel yourself gripping back in and not doing, not being your best selves, but you'll be like, Oh my god, I'm being the dust warrior. Like, yeah, don't want to be that guy. Let's put so it's just, like, an awareness,
Casey Schmid
2:07:02
yeah, no, it's good. It's really good. Yeah, because I don't think about this stuff ever, like, ever, they'll just like, Okay, I start work, and then I'm like, Oh, wow. Seven o'clock, I better stop, right? Like, okay, yeah, I guess I don't want to. I don't know. I keep COVID. These are such dumb names, I'm gonna have to talk to
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:07:28
somebody as a placeholder.
Casey Schmid
2:07:31
Yeah, I wrote, I wrote calisthenics cowboy on here, but I don't even do calisthenics, like, it's like, but, but write it. Write it. Look, yeah, no, it's on there, yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:07:45
find something better later. But just for now, it kind of gives you the vibe of that you're having fun.
Casey Schmid
2:07:50
Yeah? Well, otherwise I wouldn't, yeah, otherwise this would be a traumatic experience, right? It has to be fun. Otherwise, yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:08:01
yeah, amazing. Okay, we're almost there. I feel like these last ones, these last ones are going to be like, maybe easier. So, familial relation, so you had on there already on your list. You had, you know, husband, uh, brother. What did you have? You had husband, father and
Casey Schmid
2:08:22
and brother? Yeah, I have two brothers, yeah.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:08:25
So, so some people find that one familial relation is sufficient for them in their lives. Like I've had a lot of people choose sister, and that's even how they want to show up in a relationship with their parents. Now I've chose mother because that's also the way that I I chose empowered mother for myself. That's also the way I need to show up in my family of origin, even like I'll need the mothering that we never got. No, yeah, and so that for me, but, but there are people who have a very robust and rich family life who do find more that there's more than one familial identity for them, like, you know, maybe it's father, maybe, maybe there is something more. But if, if one is enough for you, then
Casey Schmid
2:09:17
you choose, okay?
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:09:20
Or they know, like, I'm there's more for me, right?
Casey Schmid
2:09:26
Like, yeah, no, I think I would, I would keep all three of those amazing not well, the father one is the most important one, yeah, and the other two are important to me, and I have not given them the attention they need.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:09:43
And so it's so one of the questions I ask, and we'll do this later, when we're doing the whittling, because right now we're building the list, and later we'll Whittle, um, is, is? Is this something that you want to focus on, nurture and pursue? And if brother is something you want to focus on nurture and pursue, then we then we add it, you know, we keep it so, and you can decide later, is this something that I want to focus on nurture and pursue?
Casey Schmid
2:10:11
Okay? Yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:10:22
um, okay, I felt like that one was going to be pretty easy for us. Um, romantic relation, okay, so I think you had husband on there, right, yeah. And the rare fun thing is, you can decide if that is the highest vibe word for you, or if there's something else. If there's you know, what is, what is your lover relationship?
Casey Schmid
2:10:52
Oh, wow, yeah, um, I don't know that that one's a,
Casey Schmid
2:11:11
yeah, that I don't know. I don't know. I don't feel like just saying husband is right, but I don't know what else to say. So
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:11:20
it's actually a really beautiful question to answer that can, like, really provide some, like, rich, richness and depth to your relationship. So yeah, it's a shower moment for you.
Casey Schmid
2:11:32
Yeah, yeah. That one's, that one's different. That's weird. I have a, my my wife and I have a fantastic relationship, but we are, we are both polar opposites in every possible aspect. Oh,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:11:51
interesting.
Casey Schmid
2:11:52
Yeah, it's really strange. I actually don't even know how, uh, how we're together? Like, honestly, like, if you were to look at us on paper, you would be like, What are you two doing together? Like, what? I don't get it. I have no idea. We don't like, any of the same things. We just, it's, it's actually not, it's actually funny, because I can, I can reliably predict exactly what she's going to want or need, because it will be the exact opposite of whatever I would want or need, right? And so it's like, why we read each other really well, and they say opposites attract, right? So that gets that work out. But, yeah, we it's, it's, it's very strange. She's like a super social butterfly, and I am a hermit at home inside, right? We don't watch anything like, we don't like any of the same music. We don't like any of the same movies. We don't like any of the same stuff. Like, I like to talk about science and politics all the time, and she can hates both of those topics. She only likes reading non fiction or books that could be like plausibly real, right? So she won't read like a epic fantasy story or whatever, and her eyes will glaze over the second you start talking to her about it. She has no idea what I do for work. Like zero. She doesn't
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:13:09
know or doesn't understand
Casey Schmid
2:13:10
or care. Well, that's it. She's just like, it's one of those. It's like, okay, all right. Casey, talk about work again. Okay, smile and nod Right. Like, okay, okay. But, like I said, we get along really well. It's our relationship isn't, has never. I don't know it's weird. Like, I didn't I don't need her for any of those things, though. Like, is that weird? I don't know if that's weird or not, right?
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:13:34
Like, you get to define what it what it is, and what your relationship is. You
Casey Schmid
2:13:39
know, asks, You can't ask somebody. I think, I think there's a, this is just a general thing that I think just people do in general. But I think people put, they put too much pressure on their spouse because they want their spouse to be, they want their spouse to be everything for them, right? And you can't, not want, no one person can do that. You can't expect them to do that, right? And I think that's one of the reasons why my wife and I get along so well, is because I don't expect any of that stuff from her at all. Like, I don't, and so we kind of have this, like, we've been together now for how we've been, well, shit, yeah, in August I'll be we'll be, well, I've been married 11 years, so she's, like, we've got, like, this, I don't know, it's a very well defined relationship. And, yeah, we both know each other really well. We're both really happy. So it's like, okay, great, yes, that's good. It gets
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:14:29
better. Yeah,
Casey Schmid
2:14:31
yeah, I get I mean, we have our we have our ups and downs for sure. My wife, is Spanish, right? So her first language is English, right, right? That's one. So it's kind of, it's frustrating sometimes.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:14:43
And how's your Spanish now? Oh,
Casey Schmid
2:14:45
it's good. That's good. Well, I say it's good. I can speak Spanish better than most people. I know, right? It's i. I wouldn't say it's perfect, but I'm a perfectionist. So how long have you lived there? I've been here since July of 21 and I've and I've known my wife for since 2012
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:15:11
did you start working on Spanish then?
Casey Schmid
2:15:12
Yeah, yeah, I did. And I did it because she is, she was, and still is, a teacher at a French school. And so she, she works all day and teaches all day in French. Everything's French. Oh, wow. And so I was
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:15:30
like, well, here in Spain and also
Casey Schmid
2:15:32
America, well, so I met her in the United States, but she just happened to be on vacation at the time. Vacation at the time, and so was I. Actually, it was funny. We have a the story is actually a cool one. We met. We met on New Year's Eve, 2012 in New York City, and we were both on vacation, and we were both she was there for 10 days, but I was only there for like, 15 hours or something, right? It was like me and my buddies, we decided to, we were stationed in Norfolk at the time, and I had four friends, and we all decided to wear our dress blues in New York City. And so we were like, hell yeah, let's do that. And that was one of the best nights. I have every idea. That was the best night, man. We didn't pay for anything. And everybody was like, coming up, shaking. We were like, celebrities. It was awesome. It was so cool. It was so cool. Yeah, New York is, like, one of the most military friendly towns in the United States, and it's like, really, that was so much fun. Yeah, we had a real we had a blast. Yeah, we had, yeah, we had a really good time. But yeah. And so when I met her, I was like, oh, like, we started actually talking the I was like, it's kind of, it was a dick move to be like, No, you learn a third language before I learned a second one, right? So I was like, no, okay, I'll learn, I'll speak. I'll learn Spanish, since you already know too, I'll really speak
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:16:44
English.
Casey Schmid
2:16:45
No, she knew enough for us to communicate, but,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:16:48
but she, but she, like her main work was French, and obviously her language was Spanish, yeah. And so, did you guys have a international relationship? Or did she move to the US first? Or what have
Casey Schmid
2:17:01
we dated? We dated long distance for a year and a half. Yeah. And then, and then she came that. I got out of the military in 2000 February, 2014 I got a job in Phoenix and moved to Phoenix, and once I had a city job in Phoenix. Then she came over and and we spent, she has a lot of vacation, lots of vacation, so every vacation that she had since Europe, right? You know, nobody works here, right?
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:17:29
Yeah, everything
Casey Schmid
2:17:30
insane. I don't know how this place exists, to be honest with Yeah, everything's closed all the time. Everyone's on vacation. It's like, what are you doing? But yeah, so she, yeah, she came in 2014 and We eloped to Las Vegas so far.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:17:47
Yeah. And then, but then, did she live in the US with you for a while? Or, Oh yeah,
Casey Schmid
2:17:51
yeah. She lived there for we lived, yeah. We lived in Phoenix, and we had our two kids there. Okay, yeah, yeah. And
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:17:57
then, and then finally, she was like, we're going back.
Casey Schmid
2:18:00
Yeah. What was COVID? It was COVID. And my wife was miserable in Phoenix. Poor lady. She stuck she she stuck it out for a long time. But she Americans are just different. You have to live here to understand it completely. And I had never lived here, so I didn't get it at the time either. But my wife was a puddle. She was a puddle on the floor every day. She was miserable, and she was stuck at home with two kids, right? Two little babies. And so she was just like, um, I can't do that. And I worked all the time. I was gone all the time. My hour, my one a work day, was 15 hours for me. I was just gone all day. And it was rotating, rotating shift work, nights and days. So it's kind of like, Yeah, but yeah, yeah. So we she eventually was like, let's she actually the way it worked is COVID happened, and my mother in law, my mother in law left, she would come and stay with us for six months at a time. And my mother in law left in March of 2020, and because she had to, because her visa was up, and at the time, we were going to just Dominique. Dominique would typically my wife. She would leave with the kids when my mother in law would leave. So it would be all four of them would leave and go, and they would go hang out in Spain until I could come. I would show up in the summer, I would take a month off from work and go in the summer, and then we would all come back, right? And so that. And then in November or so, my mother in law would come back, right? So we kind of did that for a few years, and because my mom, or my mom, my mother in law, and my it's just my mother in law, my wife, my wife doesn't have any brothers and sisters, and her dad was never around, so it's just the two of them. They're, they're a package deal, yes, 100 Yeah, my mother in law was there the night I met my wife. Yeah, yeah. So she was there since like, the very first minute. So you're
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:19:52
kind of like, okay. I get two,
Casey Schmid
2:19:54
yeah, yeah. It's yeah, two for the press of one. But she's a fantastic lady. I cannot. I don't complain at all people like, and she lives with us, actually, here in this house, so, yeah, but, like, you live with your mother in law. Like, that's awful. It's like, no way. This lady's awesome. She's great. I got no problems at all
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:20:09
taking care of you guys.
Casey Schmid
2:20:10
Yeah, oh yeah. She's awesome. She's so awesome. Yeah? Because we Yeah, she's, she's super grandma. She likes doing stuff with the kids, and like, Dominic and I can just leave and go to the store we want, right? And we can leave the kids at home, right? Which is how it should be, if you ask me, that's how life should be, right? Yeah, but we have a lot of people who, there's a lot of people who are our age, that are just like, they can't do anything, so stuck at home all day, right? And like, we're super lucky because, like I said, my wife, every day the kids are off from school, she's at home too, right? And we have my mother in law here helping, but people who have, like, regular jobs and know in laws to help with their kids, and just say, I don't know what they do. I don't know that's
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:20:47
yeah, rough,
Casey Schmid
2:20:49
yeah, it's rough. It's super rough. But yeah, anyway, yeah, they my wife, she left. They were, they were all going to leave together, and they couldn't, because my son was, he was the newborn, and he had his he hadn't. He didn't have a Spanish passport at the time. It hadn't come in the mail yet, and the Spanish government wasn't allowing people back in the country unless you had a passport. So they were afraid they were going to get turned around, so they didn't leave. So she left in July, when his passport showed up, and then called me in November and said, Hey, I got my old job back. Let's move back to Spain. So I was like, Well, shit, I wouldn't think about that. And so I was like, All right, YOLO, let's do it. That sounds like fun. I was like, I thought about it for a long time. And I was like, if I don't do this right now, I'm going to get 65 years old and realize that I like I'm upset that I didn't try to go at least so so I did. I my wife never came back. She never came back to the States. My kids never came back. And I sold everything we owned and quit my job and left when I had to stay for a year because I had a contract at work. So I stayed there, finished up my contract, and then showed up here in 2021
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:22:00
Yeah, how cool. And how do you like it?
Casey Schmid
2:22:05
It has its ups and downs. It's more, way, many more ups than downs. So I can't complain about anything. Yeah, my social life is great. My kids are very happy. My wife is very happy. Like, my whole family loves it here. So I can't, I cannot complain. You
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:22:22
have the opportunity to, like, improve it even more, just given all this stuff we discussed today.
Casey Schmid
2:22:28
Yeah, that's the thing is that I'm in a rut. Like, my thing is, like, yeah, I don't. I don't get along with Spanish people very much. My and I think a lot of it has to do with the the language barrier, right? I can talk. I speak Spanish just fine, but I don't connect with Spanish people in right, like, even in the way that you and I are connecting right now. I don't connect with anyone else at all. Just, I just, it just doesn't ever go best. I mean, you connect with one Spanish person. Well, yes, no, that's true, yeah. Otherwise, no, that's true. And I have friends here, don't get me wrong, right? But I I just don't it's just not like I don't know our senses of humor are completely different. Everything is different. I
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:23:13
moved to a new city, and everyone speaks English and, and I have friends, but it's not the same as as, as my friends of 20 years from my hometown.
Casey Schmid
2:23:21
Yeah, it's just not the same, yeah. So
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:23:26
I understand, yeah. So it's
Casey Schmid
2:23:27
just kind of like it's gonna and, and then, of course, professionally, right? I, I, you probably picked up on it. I loved my old job, man, I love that job. I don't admit, I don't admit to my wife how much I loved that job, and and I and I had, there's no real good reason why I should have loved it that much. But I did. I really did. It was a hard it was hard, but, and I miss it a lot, but I like this job just like, you know, it's fun. I got to, I get to do cool stuff and make cool things. It's fun. I enjoy it,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:24:01
but it's not my job before.
Casey Schmid
2:24:03
No, it's not my career, right? But again, we're talking about it like, the only reason I had that job in the first place is just because that's the way the fucking wind pointed me right. So she's like, Oh, I just was, how I happened, the direction I happened to go. It's not because I chose to do that, but just happened,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:24:19
right? So, but you really like I did, and that's, right,
Casey Schmid
2:24:23
yeah, yeah, no, I did. But some things, like, I'm doing this now too, and I really like this. I have a feeling I'd probably like doing anything. I'm I just need to get I like everything. I like a lot of stuff. Maybe that's,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:24:34
well, you get to choose. I mean, the truth is, is that you can have some more agency in your life based on some of these structures that we can create. I mean, within this framework and actually, like, you're like the perfect person who's like, life is good, but you want it to be better, yeah, and this is like the perfect. Framework for that, or you really want to, like, maximize your you know?
Casey Schmid
2:24:58
Yeah, no, I want to be I'm living, I am living the life that all of my friends back home would be jealous. They'd be like, what, you moved to the southern part of Spain, and you live on a beach town, and you work from home like, what? Like, everybody would end like on paper. That's like, holy crap. What do you do? That's great. That's awesome, right? But it's I'm not taking advantage of it like I should, which is a shame. Well, we have a chance. We have a chance. Let's see you can shift some of that. Yes, can be a great case
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:25:33
study and developer of the whole Yeah, okay, so we have the very last one, okay, and then I have to go, sorry, yeah,
Casey Schmid
2:25:43
I took up a whole bunch of time for labyrinth. No,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:25:45
it's okay. But here, this is an interesting part that is going to be different, right about, like the chat function and doing it with a real person, right? And there's something really beautiful about now, one of the things, and I don't know if if Jake's talk to you about it, but like, when I was like, listen, I can't really refine the coach right now, because that's going to take some real like, focus of my mind, and my mind is focused on other projects at the moment, but what I want you to do is create these other kind of infrastructures, because I think it's super important that the it's conversational with the the instead of typing, because typing, you just, you just output different amounts of information, and all of this kind of, like, natural flow of like, like, if you had to type all of this that you were saying to me, it would
Casey Schmid
2:26:40
not be Yeah, and you wouldn't get the same results out of it. I completely agree it should be Yeah.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:26:46
So it needs to be conversational and all. I also even had the vision of it being me, an avatar of me, yeah, talking so that there is some human connection and interaction. And so I asked him to look into, I think voice, first voice is the first most important thing, and then it's
Casey Schmid
2:27:05
actually what I'm working on right now, like, right before we got on this call, that's what I was, that's what I was working on. Yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:27:09
perfect. So, yeah, so, um, so then, then having it be an actual, like person that you can relate to. And then there's other layers within the project, within the product, which is like, you could actually hire a coach to do this with you, one on one in real time. Yeah,
Casey Schmid
2:27:27
that's cool. Definitely, for
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:27:28
now, we need to build the AI model, because, like, a one to one version is not scalable, but this is scalable, right? And also, most people can't afford to, like, have someone sit for a couple 100 bucks an hour with them, you know,
Casey Schmid
2:27:41
right? Yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:27:42
so, um, so anyways, um, okay, the last question is the doer of things? Who is your DOER of things? And this is a very important thing, because we all have stuff we have to do, like, you've got a payer mortgage, or go to the grocery store or, like, register your car, go to the dentist, and like, you know, action is a huge part of life. And you know, there are all sorts of actions that we have to take that aren't necessarily like about our passions and about our dreams, but they can still be a self validating, self fulfilling action, right? And so what I what I say, is important about doing this part of the thing is, like you can make going to and I don't know what you guys have there in Spain, but like the DMV, like a self fulfilling practice, as opposed to, like, some horrible thing that you have to do that you hate, right?
Casey Schmid
2:28:39
Yeah, yeah. I used to get my mother, my mother therapy sessions on this. I always call them therapy sessions. They weren't really that, but my mom got down on the dumps for a little while, and it was in instead of doer, DOER of things, it was I would, we would talk about handling your shit, right? Go, like, handle Yeah, that was, that was what it was.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:28:59
There's a lot of people who don't do it at all. There are some people who overdo it, right? There's, there's these different levels. But the truth is, is, like, so for my, my personal one is the captain of my life,
Casey Schmid
2:29:12
okay, yeah, that's a good one, yeah.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:29:14
So I'm the captain of my life. I'm in charge. I manage everything so that I've got smooth C's and I'm not driving into like a cyclone or something,
Casey Schmid
2:29:23
yeah.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:29:24
And so it's some other great ones that would use the driver. That's my same friend who was the abundance. It was the architect of abundance. Her do her things was the driver. She didn't want to be in the passenger seat. Yeah, she wanted to be the driver. That's cool. Captain of my life, manager, executive, CEO, problem solver. I have some people who have a problem solver in here. A successful doer. Is another fun one that some. One
Casey Schmid
2:29:52
choose another. I'm gonna, I'm gonna add a new one. Mine is gonna be a director.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:30:00
Yes, I love
Casey Schmid
2:30:01
and not,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:30:06
kind of like, like a concert director,
Casey Schmid
2:30:08
I guess that's, I say, a director. It should be conductor. I guess, technically, conductor, yeah, yeah. That's really because I was, my brain went to music, right? So it was like a, yeah, that's kind of where, that's cool, yeah, that's, that's where I'm gonna go with mine. Yeah, I
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:30:23
really love that. So, so yeah, you get to choose the brand that feels really juicy. Like, see how conductor, like, changed your whole relationship with, oh
Casey Schmid
2:30:36
yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:30:37
I can conduct my life. It's that I just got the chills, by the way, like, really intensely. Yeah,
Casey Schmid
2:30:42
that's really beautiful, really
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:30:43
beautiful. It's those moments that you can have in every single one of these categories that brings this lot of energy to this area of your life,
Casey Schmid
2:30:55
yeah?
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:30:55
And harmony and beauty, and all of a sudden, like these kind of the road opens,
Casey Schmid
2:31:05
yeah, it's um, I, I never really, yeah, you're right. It's a, it's a complete shifted perspective on how, yeah, just life in general, right? But all these, yeah, this is cool. I like, this is, this is really cool. I don't know what I was like, I was familiar with, you know, the generic, but the prompt version of this thing. But now, having done it, it's, yeah, I can definitely, I get it, I can see, yeah, for sure. It's cool,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:31:42
okay, and then I'm gonna just take a minute to show you one more thing, because I don't mean this, because I think I was probably like head, I think that when I hired you. The day that I hired you, we had our meeting in the lobby of that hotel. Yeah,
Casey Schmid
2:31:59
you were, you were at, like, a convention. I don't remember what it was called. I was
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:32:02
at South by Southwest, that's right,
Casey Schmid
2:32:04
yeah.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:32:04
And I was in the lobby of the hotel across the street from my place because I couldn't go back in because I was already,
Casey Schmid
2:32:11
oh, wow, yeah, yeah. In the
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:32:12
middle of that convention was when I realized I can't go back in. Oh,
Casey Schmid
2:32:15
that's awful, yeah. And I'm in this
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:32:17
convention, and I hired you, and I, like, potential investors anyways, it was this fucking chaotic mess. And I told you, like, listen, I can't even show you what we're working on yet, because I just don't have the bandwidth right now. Yeah, literally, I think it was like the day that I realized I can't go back in but let me show you the bad MVP that I created. I
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:32:55
I need to, I don't have this most current version. I mean, look, I'm behind on all sorts of things, like, like, organizing my bookmarks.
Casey Schmid
2:33:07
Oh yeah. It's like, Yeah, I'm terrible.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:33:11
Well, I am I'm generally not. It's not a natural thing of mine, however, however, I like to have this thing bookmarked, which is, like the most important thing that I work on. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Casey Schmid
2:33:29
It seems Yeah. It
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:33:31
seems pretty relative, like relatively important.
Casey Schmid
2:33:36
I don't know if I have you ever used, have you ever used workflowy?
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:33:42
What is it? Or heard of it?
Casey Schmid
2:33:45
It's a it's actually, it's funny. It's a thing that trilogy made us use. And I liked it so much that I purchased my own subscription for it and use it now in my own life. It's, it is a you use it as, like a second, like a second brain. So any, like, all of this stuff that we talk about here, I'm going to take this, if you wouldn't actually mind if you when you get, like, the recording for this, or the transcript, or whatever it was you, yeah, yeah. Because I'm going to take this and I'll be able to create my own set of notes and put all of this stuff in here and talk about and any but it's cool, because anytime I have, like, any idea about any of this stuff, I can just quickly jot it down and I can put it in there. But I can do that for everything, right? So all the ideas that I have about, yeah, yeah. It's great. It's really cool. Yeah, so
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:34:33
I'm going to just pop in and show you my the thing that I built. It's like a drag and drop platform, but it's basically kind of the workbook for the whole program. And you'll see out your yours is just one, yours is just one. One. What we've done is just step one. So I'm going to take you to the step one, which is, this is the identities, okay,
Casey Schmid
2:35:01
yeah, yeah, is this? This is a long I haven't looked a lot about it, but the I know that there's a bunch of image generation stuff in the code. Yes, I saw so this must be with
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:35:12
this once you choose, okay, so your conductor, so that's the one that came through the most clear, yeah, get to be you as the conductor and make,
Casey Schmid
2:35:20
yeah, that's cool. Yeah, that's cool. Okay, so that's what the face Whopper app is then, okay, all right, cool,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:35:26
because, um, AI wasn't very good at the time when I made it. Of making it, couldn't, you couldn't you couldn't make pictures of yourself. Actually took me a fucking year to figure out how to make the
Casey Schmid
2:35:35
pictures. Yeah, yeah. And
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:35:37
now it seems that there's been a breakthrough, that it's much easier to make the pictures of yourself. But to be honest, the best version is not what we have. It's still this one, which is like, I don't know if you can see, let's see some of them are worse. This one's a little bit worse. But do you see how like, the edges are fucked up here? Oh yeah, I have to upload the picture that I want. Then I have to, like, crop my face, use this face Whopper app that uses like, 30 photos of me to create the face, and then I gotta dump it back into the picture. So anyways, this is the best version. This is still better than, like, what you know, Jake and I created. What Jake and I created is, like, maybe passable, but probably not, not. There's
Casey Schmid
2:36:16
a there's a bunch of stuff you can do, like the the open AI API is huge now with the image generation. And,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:36:23
yeah, it's like, we got to improve this part. And I think that, like, once, this whole, once the whole tool is when the whole process is built, then the whole game will be making the fucking images really rad,
Casey Schmid
2:36:38
yeah? Because
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:36:40
once we first we have to build the whole thing, right? So, so you're, what you're doing right now is you're just coming up with this word, right, right,
Casey Schmid
2:36:48
yeah. And
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:36:50
the next thing we're going to do is this,
Casey Schmid
2:36:52
okay? I know what. I'm gonna Okay. I'm have, I have ideas. So I'll tell you this to kind of, maybe a little more technical stuff, but for trilogy, I am working on a separate on a different project, and that, that project, I created a framework for using llms to do things. And one of the, one of the things I've been trying to figure out for the whole time that I've been want, that I've been wanting to do, is make a chat bot that you could talk to that was that had a long term memory, and I say a long term memory in that, if you like, if you just casually mention, while you're talking to this thing, you mentioned that, yeah, sometimes I spend I'll go to the, you know, I'll go to my brother's house on the weekend, right? If you just say that,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:37:44
right?
Casey Schmid
2:37:45
Well, notice it'd be like, Oh, you have a brother, right? Whoever this person's talking to me has a brother, right? And I need to remember that. And that's a fact that I can pull out about this person, and it will pull it out and save it in a list of facts about this person, right? Yeah. And so it will do that for basically everything, right? So while it's talking to you, you could do that. And I'm thinking about this, I figured out how to do it. I think I haven't. I've got my system working to do what I need to do at trilogy. But the it would work to do this.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:38:13
Oh yeah, we definitely need it for this. But okay, so I'm going to go a little deeper. So this is just so then you have the picture. So these are all my, right, and it's the same constellation that I just shared with you. Okay? These are all mine, my athlete, this is my lover, this is my familial relation. This is just my personality thing and connectors. And then this is my captain of my life.
Casey Schmid
2:38:37
Nice, yeah, that's really cool. Yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:38:39
they create art, right? Then the next layer is, you do this writing. Actually, don't worry about that. So here we do your I Am statement. I'm inventive and courageous. I use my unique mind and creativity to make things other people only dream of. I believe I can change the world.
Casey Schmid
2:39:02
Okay, yeah, this is
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:39:04
the I am statement about my Creator. And by the way, my Creator is who you're working with all the time. When we're doing the app. It's like, my Creator is creating this, yeah, thing, right? So, so you, once you have this we call here, we're calling it the Dream Team. All the words need to be workshopped, but,
Casey Schmid
2:39:24
oh, that's cool, yeah.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:39:25
But once you have your dream team of like, all your identities, the magical healer, the successful entrepreneur, then you can plug them into your life to do what you need to do, and you bring their energy to every action that you take. And there's a whole action management system. Now this is a bad, bad, bad version of it. And do. But like you, and what is novel about it is that, instead, your actions are all separated by who's doing it.
Casey Schmid
2:40:00
Oh, okay, yeah, I see. Okay. Wait, so, wait a minute. So is this like a Okay, so you can do like, okay, so you can do you're saying you create all of these identities, and then you use this thing as, like a Life Planner afterwards, and say, like, I have to do all these, I have to do all of this stuff. Right? Is the idea, the idea that this thing chooses for you who should do it? Well,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:40:29
you choose, but yeah, it will eventually know and understand you, and it will be able to sort everything for you.
Casey Schmid
2:40:35
Okay, yeah, because, okay, yeah, okay, that's cool. That's this is great. I like it. I like a lot.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:40:43
Yeah, so this is kind of, this is kind of my short list. Anyways, this stuff all got convoluted in the last version. But the thing that I want to show you is that. So there's couple of different guiding principles. One is your identities, right? Yeah, and then the other one is these visions for your life, which is like, what's this overarching thing that I want to experience? Okay? I want to recreate with my family. I want to buy a house in LA. I want to, you know, write my publish a book, you know, dancing, yeah, apply to Y Combinator. And then these are all also identified with, what identity is doing? It,
Casey Schmid
2:41:24
oh, yeah, this
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:41:26
identity is having this experience. What are the different goals? Is not actually word we're going to use, but I just had to have the developer write that, because it wasn't understanding. And then you have a whole, like, modular section which has actions and everything below it, and timelines and all these things, so that you can actually, like, live your dreams.
Casey Schmid
2:41:44
Super cool. Okay, yeah, I'm in. I like, this is great. I get it now, okay,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:41:50
visual planning system, and also understand that this is a really fucking bad version.
Casey Schmid
2:41:55
Oh, yeah, I'm not judging you on that at all. Don't worry about that. No, that's the No, I get that.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:42:02
Yeah, and it's philosophical, because you're choosing who does all these things. So this is another thing where it's basically like, these are all the recurring actions of your life,
Casey Schmid
2:42:14
yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:42:16
and you get to choose who does it like. And a lot of these are, you know, take a whole day off, you know, like, some of them are things you have to do, and some of the things that are things that you do that are like, good for yourself. So this is actually a huge part of life that we spend a lot of our RAM dealing with.
Casey Schmid
2:42:34
Yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:42:35
that, like a lot of it, can just be pre programmed, because, like most people, it's similar, right? But then you choose what identity is going to do the thing, and it gets reminds you on the dental cleaning at whatever time of the year. So you just like, offload all of that extra cool. I like it. I like it a lot. And then, oh, here. So let's go here. So actions, this is actually and projects. This is, like, grouped actions. Anyways, this part, this doesn't work, but it will eventually. But here's the fucking juicy, like crazy sort of thing. Oh, yeah, exact same thing for the worst parts of yourself.
Casey Schmid
2:43:17
Yeah, okay.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:43:20
And when you get in here and you really see, like, what are these people? What are all these things in my life?
Casey Schmid
2:43:27
Yeah, see
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:43:29
them like it is wildly transforming.
Casey Schmid
2:43:35
And then the VIS, the visual thing, for sure, is, like, that's got to be, that's a big that's a big thing, yeah, and I, I don't think I've even heard of anyone doing anything like this, like, where you're used, like, because everyone talks about like, the visualization thing all the time, right? But some people are good at that, and some people just aren't. I'm just typically not right, right? But I will, I will have a heavy emotional reaction to a picture if you show me one, right? So, yeah, that's a cool idea.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:43:59
So this allows the AI, actually allows you to have a capacity that many people don't have.
Casey Schmid
2:44:06
Yeah, that's really so
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:44:08
we have this alchemization process for the shadows, which is you also do an I am. I'm a damsel in distress. I waste my energy thrashing dramatically and helplessly, I think confusion, in hopes that someone will save me from things when I'm overwhelmed. So like, because I don't know ask how to ask for help, I just create giant messes that then someone finally comes in and is like, Can I
Casey Schmid
2:44:31
help you? Yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:44:33
yeah. But there's a really beautiful thing that happens in that you get help. What is so they always say, I don't know if you've heard about this, and is like, that you have a payoff for these behaviors. You say you don't want and. And we take it one, I don't know if you've ever heard of that, like, what's the payoff for that behavior? Like, you get something out of it. You know, if you're continuing to do something you don't want to do, like, there's a reason?
Casey Schmid
2:45:01
Yeah, no, I yeah, I can see that. Yeah. Okay.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:45:03
Take it one step further, and saying that there is a gift that you're giving yourself with these behaviors. For example, your pasty desk warrior, yeah, okay. Like, what is the gift that you're giving yourself that you need in that moment? And so for me, it's like, I need help, relief and care, and then if so, we go through the same process, just like the process we're doing when we figure out, what are your identities, what's your I Am create the art. It's the same process I need help. The gift I give myself with this negative behavior is help and relief and care. And it's like, Thank you, damsel in distress, for providing me relief and getting me the help that I need. But now I invite the Empowered mother to give me the courage to ask for help.
Casey Schmid
2:45:51
Oh, yeah, that's cool. So you
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:45:53
reassign these shitty behaviors to someone who's like much better suited to do it. And then we have this other thing called Shadow rescue, like, when you notice here she is damn talking, wreaking havoc in my life.
Casey Schmid
2:46:09
Yeah.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:46:10
What can I do? So we have direct actions that you can take to help to give yourself the gift so that they can stop. And what's crazy is that when you do this, all that behavior stops immediately and goes away.
Casey Schmid
2:46:23
Oh yeah, that's cool. You could even make a chat bot for this.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:46:28
Oh, this, yeah, and, and the thing is, it's gonna, so what I this whole body of work so see this kind of this is gonna become the background of data that the AI draws on.
Casey Schmid
2:46:45
Yeah, there'll be some big centralized context for each user that has all of this data in it,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:46:51
well, it's going to be its data, because you're going to create it as you go. It's going to help you create it. Then it's going to store it all. And then you're going to say, like, the damsel in distress is here, what can I do? And it's going to say, call someone for help. Tell someone you're struggling, like, you know, it's going to tell you what to do, and it's also going to help you plan your projects, and it's going to help you plan your your dreams, and it's going to make you make sure that you stay on track for your dreams. Like, this is just a workbook, yeah, right. This is,
Casey Schmid
2:47:23
like, freaking cool, yeah. I like it a lot.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:47:26
But eventually the AI is going to have all of this context about you and your life, yeah, and help guide you. That's what you guys get
Casey Schmid
2:47:38
built. I love I like it, alright,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:47:41
so that's the whole thing.
Casey Schmid
2:47:44
Okay. Thank you very much for showing me this, because I'm I did not have this context, and so this, this puts having this training today, and and then the the view for kind of the bigger picture, for the stuff is really kind of put things in perspective. So that's great. I kind of have a better, much better idea of what I'm doing now.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:48:04
Well, yeah, because I told you, like, I'm sorry, I'm hiring you for this, but I can't even tell you what you're doing.
Casey Schmid
2:48:08
No, it's okay, yeah? No, no. So,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:48:13
so anyways, these are all just, like, short term things that I'm working on at the moment that will be on the front page. This is kind of your short list, right? Yeah? But like, eventually, like, all of this stuff is just going to be a two way conversation. You should be able to see it for reference, but it's all going to just be a two way conversation with your AI, who's going to help you fucking achieve your dreams and do the shit you need to do. Feel good.
Casey Schmid
2:48:35
Yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:48:36
hold it all for you and make sure that you're being the creator, the successful entrepreneur, the elegant icon, and not the damsel in distress, not the pasty desk warrior. And each day, you're going to be able to have a little download at the end of the day where you say what you did. You say what you did, and it gives you feedback based on,
Casey Schmid
2:48:55
yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:48:56
everything it knows about you.
Casey Schmid
2:48:57
That's cool. Super cool, awesome. Okay,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:49:03
so that's what we're doing.
Casey Schmid
2:49:06
Fantastic.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:49:06
I believe that this can change the world.
Casey Schmid
2:49:09
Yeah, no, it definitely could, for sure. And not only that, but it's gonna be a cool that's a good that's a fantastic tool. Like, what a cool tool. Like to have, like a, it's almost like you have your own. This is like an, almost like an assistant, like a, like a, almost like a personal, not a personal assistant. That's not the right thing to say, but it's like, it's like a personal like a companion, or something,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:49:29
yeah, or concierge, or, I don't know, actually, there's a word that we can find that describes what the
Casey Schmid
2:49:35
person, but it's different because it knows you personally, which is cool, because that's, that's a different take on on it. I've never, yeah, that's a, that's a great thing. Most people are trying to, like, have this, like, robotic, uh. A faceless AI helper thing that just tells you when your dentist appointment is. But this is a much cooler, much more personal take on it. I like that. I like it a lot.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:49:59
Yeah. And the other thing that's really neat, that I think can be another layer, is that once the agents actually are helpful, it can actually do a bunch of this shit for you too. It can be your operator. Can be or whatever, right? Because, like, once it is everything you have to do, it can say, like, well, you know, I can order this, and I can do that, and I can, you know, I can, you know, do all this different stuff for you. It can actually accomplish things on your list for you and outsource.
Casey Schmid
2:50:30
That's awesome. Super cool.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:50:33
So with that three hour meeting, I leave you and I'll talk to you soon.
Casey Schmid
2:50:40
Alright, excellent. Hey, one, one quick question. I wanted to, I wanted to talk quickly. I don't. We haven't talked about, about invoices. I sent you one, and I don't know, I have not sent another one. That's kind of what I wanted to talk to you about. I didn't know. Like, if you wanted me to send those to you on a schedule, if you would prefer them,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:51:03
just hang on to them until you want them paid.
Casey Schmid
2:51:05
Okay, yeah, that's kind of what I've been doing. But I didn't. I wanted to talk to you about it to make sure you're like, No, I want them. You know, every Thursday Jake pays me, you know, Jake, you know, sends me his on Fridays or whatever. For
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:51:15
me, the less action I have to take, the better. I mean, like, right now we're not working at, like, such a crazy volume or whatever. So just, just whenever you when it gets to, like, a critical mass. I mean, don't send me, like, a $10,000 one that I didn't
Casey Schmid
2:51:29
No, no, no. Mine was, I mean,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:51:32
he sends me like he, I think he sent me another one that was, like, really low. And honestly, I just been kind of in I finally told him, like, I have to tell you what's going on in my life. Why absent? But, but, yeah, I can pay an invoice this week. You know, I would say, like, yeah, don't let them, you know, I guess, look, I what I'm trying to do right now. I guess this is the last part. Is, like, I'm trying to get this identity coach working well enough that I can deploy it and test with people that I don't do sit down coaching with that's my goal. And I think I got, I got to kind of pay for that myself, so that I have enough so that I can get investors interested. And the problem, the kind of problem, is that, like, a bunch of the resources that I had marked for that, like, are now being siphoned away at a very
Casey Schmid
2:52:27
quick Yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:52:30
you do, hiring lawyers and paying, you know, two rents and, yes,
Casey Schmid
2:52:36
yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:52:38
so, so, so that was, that's a whole bunch of expenses that I had not anticipated. Um, you know, anyways, I but I still think that my, I think that, like, the that my ask for money will be so much stronger with some market validation,
Casey Schmid
2:52:58
okay, yeah.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:52:59
Like, instead of it really cool idea, it's like, can we get people to play with this thing? Okay,
Casey Schmid
2:53:05
yeah. Well, I completely, Okay, excellent. That was kind of what I that was kind of what I wanted to do. I did to do. I didn't what I didn't want to do. I have been since we hadn't talked about it, just, just out loud, I didn't, I have not been working a lot on this thing. And I I worked. I don't remember. I think it was the first three weeks, or it was probably, I think it was three weeks or four weeks was the first, was the first, was the first one. I think that was just over 40 hours on there, right? So it was like 10 hours a week or so. I think it was what I on average, is what I put into it. And then since that last one, I don't know I have, I think I have, when was this? Since the, yeah, the 20 was the end of the month, right? And so the so since then, I put in how many hours I have? 25 hours put in so far, great. So I kind of, that was, kind of what I was going to do is maybe, like, once I get them, like, what would be a week's worth of pay, I'll just, I'll just send that to you, and then I wanted to talk to you about how much you want me to work on it. I have been, my plan has been, I tip, I I'll do, I do my, my 40 hours of work of week. I can't talk out loud. I do my 40 hours at trilogy. And then, typically, if I've got some time, I'll, I'll work on this. This has been my second priority. But I didn't want to turn it around and be like, you know, hey, I worked. I worked, worked 50 hours this week on your project. Here you go, yeah, right. Without saying, like, I don't, but at
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:54:35
the same green light for that 100%
Casey Schmid
2:54:37
Yeah. And so that was another thing too. I don't want to, I don't want to overdo it, but I don't want to under do it. So I kind of wanted to get an idea of, like, how, kind of what your expectation is for, like, how much do you want me? To how much to work on it.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:54:49
I think that I have not been able to even really, like, put my mind on it, because I have just so much an urgent thing before. So that's why I kind of gave him, like, here's some infrastructure that we can build that's not like, you know, whatever, but, but also, I think that you have this, you have this kind of experience now of going through the project, or going through the process of what you're trying to build, right? So, so I to be honest, like, right at this very second, I can't really answer that because, but I just know that, like, that's my objective, is to get this thing to a place where we can test it. But I also haven't done my homework yet, because I'm filling out the stupid inventory, which I really want to have done by tomorrow. So
Casey Schmid
2:55:37
well, so yeah, I don't. Yeah, I wouldn't. So here's the thing. The way I look at that is like, Yeah, you should test it, right? And you should give the thumbs up for it 100% right, because you're gonna be, you're the first customer, really, right, right, right? And yeah. And so, of course, we need to do that, but what I wanna, what I what we need to do, and what we try to figure out is there's one of the things that Jake has me set up to do, is testing, and there's a way that we can set it up so that we can do like automated tests, where you can say, here is an entire conversation history, right? And we say, here's what the bot said, Here's what the person said. And we have all this stuff, right? I need it to say something like this, right? And you can do it in the middle of the conversation, or you can do it at the beginning or at the end. You could test all these different aspects without having to do the whole conversation yourself.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:56:27
Got it, but I can still think I need to do the conversations myself
Casey Schmid
2:56:32
for sure. Yes,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:56:33
get it to a point, and then we can run test conversations,
Casey Schmid
2:56:36
right? Yes, yes, yes.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:56:37
Like, I just, I was like, in total chaos mode when I did test okay, it's asking the right question first and the right question second, and the white question third. Now, there's just much more nuanced work for me to do, of like, how do I, you know, how do I make this feel like something that's going to inspire you? Because that's now the next step. Plus, I haven't even gotten deep enough in to have it do the I am statements and the art and all that different stuff yet, because you guys have built a lot more than I've even tested, because the beginning wasn't working. So I was just like, I'm just gonna, yeah, yeah,
Casey Schmid
2:57:15
yeah, there were, there were some bugs. Yeah, there were some bugs. The last time you tested the bot, there were bugs in it, and we didn't know about them at the time, or I didn't. At least, I don't know why I don't, I didn't. It was, yeah. So anyway, that that stuff has been fixed the last time, the last time I did work on it, which was on the ninth I fixed all that stuff. I put in oh yeah stuff. And then
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:57:39
it worked great. And then I was like, Oh, this is working now, now, now the ball's in my court, and I just can't play this right now.
Casey Schmid
2:57:47
I only, I don't know what Jake has done so far. I just did a poll on the database or on the on the repo, but I don't know what he has done. I got it up to the point where it would, it would come out of the out of the introduction phase, and kind of talk, do the first set of questions the way, or the first question, the way that you want, that you wanted. The rest of it was a bunch of infrastructure stuff so that that would even work. But now it will work. And I got the first prompt all set up. The insight that I had there, and we might have to change it later, was the, there's that giant message basically that starts off at the top,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:58:26
yeah, that has to go, and I need to rewrite that.
Casey Schmid
2:58:30
Okay, so
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:58:31
that is the next, that is the next thing. But I just like, I said, like, also I'm, like, a channel person, and like, I got, especially when it comes to this stuff, like, I've got to sit down and like, oh,
Casey Schmid
2:58:50
yeah, yeah. Do you
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:58:51
know what I mean? And I can't be, like, fucking stressing out about, like, I've got 800 more entries in our closet inventory to make Do you know what I mean. So, like, I'm trying to clear that off my plate while you guys build some information, we
Casey Schmid
2:59:09
definitely have some boilerplate stuff we have to do
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:59:12
voice right? And so I'm hoping to finish this inventory by tomorrow. That's my goal. Is to finish it. Also, I'm really grateful for this call today, because I was like, let's just do this so that a I just also need to step out of it, because I think, like, I have not been sleeping well at night. My heart rate is high, and I think it's because
Casey Schmid
2:59:29
I'm like, yeah, yeah,
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:59:31
do this fucking endless task that's stressing me to the max, you know, yeah. So I think this was a nice, a nice, you know, divergence, and I'm gonna make myself some lunch, and then. And then I actually have Jake after you. So
Casey Schmid
2:59:48
okay, great, that's great.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:59:49
Just do a bunch of coaching. It's good for me to do the coaching, because it like dumps me back into the mindset,
Casey Schmid
2:59:53
yeah, yeah, yeah.
Leigh Ann Orsi
2:59:55
And all these conversations are super helpful, obviously,
Casey Schmid
2:59:58
yeah, okay, I wanted to tell you this. I don't Okay. I'm kind of like, going around the chain of command here, because I'm supposed to most of the stuff should go through Jake. I work directly for Jake, right? So I don't product facing things and decisions, stuff that all should come from Jake. All of that comes from Jake, right? None of that comes from me. But that being said, and I have, I will recommend this to Jake. I have not said anything to him about this, so forgive me for that, but I wanted to ask if it is possible, when you do these training sessions or the these sessions with anyone else, is it possible to record them? Or do you record them?
Leigh Ann Orsi
3:00:35
They are all recorded, and I have them
Casey Schmid
3:00:37
all. Can I have them? Yeah, okay, I didn't know if that was something. And it's like, no, it's proprietary stuff. We don't want to let anybody, I don't want you know people as
Leigh Ann Orsi
3:00:46
well. So I have, I have it, and I have them. And, you know, Jake was kind of on a bit more of a minimalist. He's like, I'd rather have one good conversation than, like, a million.
Casey Schmid
3:00:55
Yeah, no, okay, so I'll tell you why this is where I'm going with it. What I the actually, the one of the very first things I did for trilogy was make a chat bot that was supposed to mimic someone, and I was able to do it. And the way that I did it, I took, I took a bunch of the things that they said, and I put them into a vector database, right? And then you can do these lookups where you can say based off of the conversation that's going on and what the user typed in. You go look up in the database these semantically similar things, these chunks, right? And you say, you know, in a conversation similar to this one, Leigh Ann said something like this, right? Mimic your response needs to, you know, yes, something like that, right? So you have, you pull out all these real world examples for and you could also do a bunch of brilliant, like sophisticated things where you go through, and you take all of these recorded conversations and you tag them all with different steps, because we have all the steps identified. And we say, this one goes with this step, this one goes with this step. And you say, Okay, look in the database. That takes no time at all. It pulls out these things. And you can say, you know, for this step, here's this example, right? Find an example that matches this semantic similarity to a certain degree, and also has these tags pull it out. Here's the example. And then the chat bot will talk like you, and it will, yeah, like, it'll be exactly like you, right? It'll say, like, the same exact things that Leanne would say the way Leanne would say them. That's kind of how I would
Leigh Ann Orsi
3:02:21
so perfect. And that's exactly what I want. And I've been recording all my conversations. Great. That's
Casey Schmid
3:02:27
That's awesome. Yeah, I think I mentioned the vector database idea to Jake, and he seemed open to it. Of course he'll be the one to make the final decision on the infrastructure part for how that should go, or whether or not the bot even needs that, because it may not. I know he's going to want to try to do something less complicated. So
Leigh Ann Orsi
3:02:46
I love his his desire for streamlined simplicity. I think it's actually really cool. No,
Casey Schmid
3:02:52
it's great. I think it's so he pulls me, he pulls the reins in on me sometimes, because I'll tend to, I will tend to over complicate things, right? So he's actually taught me a ton.
Leigh Ann Orsi
3:03:03
However, i Yeah, no, I actually think, philosophically, it's really beautiful. And in this world where we're trying to get it to be like me, I think it needs to really know me in order to do that.
Casey Schmid
3:03:18
Yeah, no, I completely agree with you, yeah.
Leigh Ann Orsi
3:03:21
And you know, I'll tell you one of my dreams for this is probably so my my dream, my dream for this, and again, my dream is based on my imagination, not necessarily based on what's possible, but my dream for this is that, like, I am the first coach. It's actually Leigh Ann, it's me, it's my voice, I'm talking. It's my face, whatever. Yeah, then I would actually like to have options of other coaches like Jocko, willing to
Casey Schmid
3:03:50
be like, that would be great, yeah. You
Leigh Ann Orsi
3:03:52
want, like, a fucking hardcore, yeah. You can
Casey Schmid
3:03:55
have a David Goggins like, you know, hardcore, yeah, Jocko will link, or somebody like
Leigh Ann Orsi
3:04:01
that. You want, like, a like, you want, like a drill sergeant. You want me. You want, like, really nice old lady you want, like, so each person can kind of choose their flavor of leadership.
Casey Schmid
3:04:14
Yeah, that's great. Yeah, that'd be really great.
Leigh Ann Orsi
3:04:16
And even though it would always have, it would all have the same structure and whatever. Like, each of the kind of the tones, like, how you can pick a different voice, or whatever, but each of the tones and the verbal patterning and whatever would be different, right? And allow the person something that would make them, you know, more would make them more receptive to the guidance. Yeah.
Casey Schmid
3:04:43
Okay, all right, cool. I. I like that, yeah, if you can, that's something that I've that's just on the table again. I'll talk to Jake. All that will come officially from Jake through Jake. Okay, great. That's another thing too. I wanted to say while I have you on the phone, sometimes I am not as vocal on the chat, and that is on purpose, because I don't want to step on Jake's toes, right? So I I'm not going to be like, jumping in and saying some stuff that maybe Jake has, like, 100% okay with, right? So I'll typically defer to Jake on the chat the unless you ask me something specifically, of course, I'll respond. I'll respond,
Leigh Ann Orsi
3:05:16
okay, but like, just learning all of this hierarchical whatever. And like I said, I went through my own kind of thing with it, of like, do I tell these people what's going on my life? Do I not? And I was like, Okay, I'm just not for a while. And then I was like, This isn't working. I'm just gonna be myself and tell
Casey Schmid
3:05:30
the truth. Sweet, no, that's good. Yeah, no, that's great. That's awesome, yeah? And so I'm an open book, right? So you can call me, text me anything you want, anytime I'm and if I'm awake, I'll I'll answer you. And yeah. So I just wanted to say that I'm not trying to hide from you on the chat or whatever, but it's just, it's kind of like a, like a pecking order kind of thing. I don't want to,
Leigh Ann Orsi
3:05:50
Oh, got it, yeah, those those things I really don't understand, but, but thank you for explaining it to me. Well,
Casey Schmid
3:05:55
it's not, it's just a, it's just occur. It's a courtesy to Jake, really, is all it is, because he's the one that's technically in charge of the project, right? And so I don't have any business doing that job, right? That's his job. So he Yeah, so he tells me what to do, and I do those things, and then we do that, right?
3:06:13
Yeah.
Casey Schmid
3:06:14
So, okay, awesome. Well, Leigh, this has been awesome. It's been, I got to meet you once, but I got to really meet you today. I feel like, so that was nice,
Leigh Ann Orsi
3:06:22
yeah, much, much more available. Well, listen, I'm excited. So why don't you, like, marinate on this stuff, and then, like, next week, let's do another one, because I'll be here for another week. So I'm available. I want to give you enough time to prop to chew it, but if we wait too long, I'm going to be dumped back into my moldy life and moving everything in gas masks. And anyways,
Casey Schmid
3:06:43
just to be mad, okay, I'll tell you, Oh, I need to. I'm glad you mentioned that next week from 27th until, oh, shit. I don't remember the dates anymore. I don't even know that's fine,
Leigh Ann Orsi
3:06:55
because I think that that's when I'm
Casey Schmid
3:06:56
Thursday to Sunday. Thursday to Sunday. I think it is 27 Okay, no, the 24th through the 27th Yeah, so Thursday to Sunday, that's when I will be out of town. I'm going to London with my family, and so we'll, yeah, that'll be fun. Yeah, my wife and I went by ourselves a little while ago, and we're going to take the kids now, because they'll have good time so and they're on vacation now, of course, they are so
Leigh Ann Orsi
3:07:20
well, I tried, I tried to go to London with my partners and his kids. Um, on the day that Heathrow got shut down for that fire,
Casey Schmid
3:07:30
Oh, wow. Oh, that sucks, yeah, I was right
Leigh Ann Orsi
3:07:34
from Iceland to London that day, and it just got,
Casey Schmid
3:07:39
that sucks. Yeah, yeah.
Leigh Ann Orsi
3:07:41
Anyways, wow, I gotta refund it. I guess. Got a small refund from the airline for it, but I didn't even have travel insurance, which was a fail.
Casey Schmid
3:07:47
Oh, that's,
Leigh Ann Orsi
3:07:49
I'm out like, a $700 extra flight that I had to buy. But whatever,
Casey Schmid
3:07:54
we're flying to Gatwick, so we're going to be
Leigh Ann Orsi
3:07:56
okay, yeah, you're good, you're good.
Casey Schmid
3:07:59
You got to Gatwick. You're going, yeah, be great. That'll be fun. Okay, no, I just wanted to. I wanted to let you know that typically, most likely, I will.
Leigh Ann Orsi
3:08:08
So then let's do it. Let's try to do it before you leave. Okay,
Casey Schmid
3:08:11
yeah, I'm done with that. I'll be here. It'll be, yeah, Monday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. That'd be great. Okay, I'm gonna be working tomorrow on this project, so I'll be, I'll probably work a few hours today, and then some tomorrow, getting some of the infrastructure stuff done that Dick wants me to do
Leigh Ann Orsi
3:08:27
amazing. Thank you so much.
Casey Schmid
3:08:29
Yeah, of course. All right, bye, bye.